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IamJoseph
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Message 211 of 1485 (631404)
08-31-2011 9:20 PM


DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE.
Why I think Osama - oops I mean Obama - is no Christian. Aside from fooling America with YES WE CAN bytes and faking his birth certificate, its not only what he says but what he does not. Guess why he never quoted the Quran here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sy9kMxOEVs&feature=youtu...
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Message 212 of 1485 (631407)
08-31-2011 9:24 PM
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08-31-2011 9:20 PM


Re: DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE.
Is there any chance you will ever stay on topic?
and what the hell is this supposed to mean
DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE
You do know that that is not how the aphorism goes, don't you? Were you trying to be witty?
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Message 213 of 1485 (631422)
08-31-2011 11:44 PM
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08-31-2011 9:20 PM


You are very, very, very, very, very close to getting suspended
I put out the warning in message 195.
Subtitle of the above cited:
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Your message:
IAJ writes:
Why I think Osama - oops I mean Obama - is no Christian. Aside from fooling America with YES WE CAN bytes and faking his birth certificate, its not only what he says but what he does not. Guess why he never quoted the Quran here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sy9kMxOEVs&feature=youtub...
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fearandloathing
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Message 214 of 1485 (631833)
09-03-2011 1:51 PM


Bachman
Bachman said the following at a speech in Minneapolis in 2006.
quote:
I didn’t know I wasn’t a believer. But they knew I wasn’t a believer, and they started praying for me. And all of a sudden the holy spirit started knocking on my heart’s door and I could hear the Lord tug me and call me to Himself, and I responded on November 1st of 1972, and I knew that I knew that I knew that I had received Jesus Christ as my lord and savior and that my life would never be the same after I made that commitment, because I knew what darkness looked like. I knew it from my home life. I absolutely understood sin, and I wanted no part of it. When Jesus Christ came in and cleaned out this dark heart, that was light. That was rest. That was peace. It was refreshment. Why would I ever want the world? I knew what that had to offer. This was great. That didn’t mean that I woke and all of a sudden I had money, all of a sudden I had position, all of a sudden I had education. It didn’t. But what it meant was that all of a sudden I had a father.
quote:
This spring, during one of her trips to Iowa, Bachmann asked the audience if anyone had heard of or seen How Should We Then Live? Many people applauded. She continued:
That also was another profound influence on Marcus’s life and my life, because we understood that the God of the Bible isn’t just about Bible stories and about Bible knowledge, or about just church on Sunday. He is the Lord of all of life. Every bit of life, including sociology, theology, biology, politics. You name the area and walk of life. He is the Lord of life. And so, as we went back to our studies, we looked at studying in a completely different light. Not for the purpose of a career but for a purpose of wondering, How does this fit into creation? How does this fit into the code and all of life that is about to come in front of us? And so we had new eyes that were opened up as we understood life now from a Biblical world view.
Read more
Interesting piece on Bachman from The New Yorker. I like her even less now. Totally not who I want to see running this country.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

  
fearandloathing
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Message 215 of 1485 (631837)
09-03-2011 3:02 PM


Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have ties to Dominionism?
quote:
FROM CNN's Jack Cafferty:
Forget about the separation of church and state... there's reason to believe that religion might have a whole new meaning for the next occupant of the White House.
The Daily Beast reports that two of the Republican candidates for president - Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry - are "deeply associated" with a theocratic strain of Christian fundamentalism that's called Dominionism.
For those of you who haven't heard of it before, and I was one who hadn't - stand by cause this is "out there."
The Daily Beast writes how Dominionists believe that Christians have a God-given right to rule all earthly institutions. Dominionism finds its roots in a small fringe sect called Christian Reconstructionism. People who advocate replacing U.S. law with the laws of the Old Testament, including the death penalty for homosexuality and abortion. swell.
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I had never heard of Dominionism until right now. Can it get any worse?

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Message 216 of 1485 (631842)
09-03-2011 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by fearandloathing
09-03-2011 3:02 PM


Re: Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have ties to Dominionism?
Ah yes, Dominionism.
* ''World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. [...] Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land - of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ.'' (404- Not Found)
* ''All who are content with a humanistic law system and do not strive to replace it with Biblical law are guilty of idolatry. They have forsaken the covenant of their God, and they are asking us to serve other gods.'' (404- Not Found)
* ''The Bible contains the directives of the King of kings for every area of human activity, including civil government, economics, art, science, family, church, and more. Activity in each sphere is to be governed by the Law of God.'' (Christian Reconstruction: A Call for Reformation and Revival The Forerunner)
* ''What about Old Testament laws that require stoning, such as Exodus 21:17,'' "And he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death." The question about incorrigible children is a common one. The so-called "harshness" of this punishment is often posed to refute the idea of theonomy as the basis for civil law. However, I know that this law and its punishment under the Old Covenant was just because God is just. Therefore, I ask, what has changed under the New Covenant so that the law and its punishment are now unjust?'' (What is Theonomy? The Forerunner)
* ''Slaves have no economic incentive to work, since they cannot improve their situation regardless of how hard they labor. Therefore the master is allowed to provide that incentive by beating them.'' (404- Not Found)
* ''Capital crimes against the family include rebellion to parents, homosexuality and adultery. Sound harsh? Then what you are saying, in effect, is that God is harsh and that treason against the family is "not as bad" as treason against the state.'' (What is Theonomy? The Forerunner)
* ''Nevertheless, this one fact should be apparent: turning the other cheek is a bribe. It is a valid form of action for only so long as the Christian is impotent politically or militarily.'' (404- Not Found)
* ''To observe the law in relationship to our neighbor, recognizing his right to life, home, property, and reputation, is to love him.'' (404- Not Found)
* ''When men see how relevant the ten commandments are for economics, they should gain new respect for the importance of the laws of God.'' (404- Not Found)
* ''In a theonomic society the civil government would promote virtues that it often works against today. It would reinstitute laws protecting the observance of the Sabbath.'' (404- Not Found)
* ''The god of Judaism is the devil.'' (CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISM, DOMINION THEOLOGY AND THEONOMY)
* ''The means to lawful wealth is the covenant law, the law of God. Capitalization is thus a radical and total task. Man must seek to subdue the earth and gain wealth as a means of restitution and restoration, as means of establishing God’s dominion in every realm. Wherever godly men establish their superior productivity and gain wealth, they thereby glorify God. Wealth in itself is good, and a blessing of the Lord.'' (http://www.yuricareport.com/...utingCreepingDominionism.html)
* ''Those who are obedient to His commands will rule the world, reconstructing it for His glory in terms of His laws. [...] The nation that will not serve us will perish (Isa. 60:12); all the peoples of the earth will be subdued under our feet (Ps. 47:1-3)--promises made originally to Israel, but now to be fulfilled in the New Israel, the Church.'' (404- Not Found)
It sounds super.

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fearandloathing
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Message 217 of 1485 (631845)
09-03-2011 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Dr Adequate
09-03-2011 3:49 PM


Re: Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have ties to Dominionism?
Sounds super scary. Not exactly someone I want with his/her finger on the button....or in control of anything to be honest.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Message 218 of 1485 (631847)
09-03-2011 4:35 PM
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09-03-2011 3:02 PM


Re: Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry have ties to Dominionism?
I had never heard of Dominionism until right now. Can it get any worse?
I've known about the Christian Reconstructionist movement since the mid-1980's, after it was reported on in a three-part religion-and-government Bill Moyer special. Mainly, that special was looking at the rise of the Radical Religious Right in the early 80's. Here's the basic story as I recall that special telling it:
Historically, fundamentalists would not involve themselves in politics; one analogy is that they viewed it was polishing the brass on a sinking ship. But then the presidential campaign of born-again Jimmy Carter started getting them involved -- I forget whether their votes helped to get him elected. But then Carter had that conference on the family that extended the definition of family to include many kinds of families that the fundamentalists did not approve of. Feeling betrayed, it was very easy for the Republicans to woo them over.
In the meantime, the fundamentalist leaders started to learn politics from the Reconstructionists, even though they disagreed with them on theology. The Reconstructionists are post-millennialists, believing that Jesus will return at the end of the thousand years of Christian rule established by his followers, whereas fundamentalists are premillennialists, believing that Jesus will return at the beginning of those thousand years and will usher them in. The Reconstructionists have a more pro-active political plan for establishing an Old Testament Theocracy, which the fundamentalists adopted, but whereas the Reconstructionists' plan is multi-generational in which they will educate the people to the point where they will want such a government (and for this reason they are very much into the home-schooling movement), the fundamentalists wanted to establish that theocracy immediately and through the force of law by taking control of the government. Hence the fundamentalist plans were highly visible because of the political and legal battles they spawn, while the Reconstructionist plans continue on their long-term trajectories virtually unnoticed.
In that special, Reconstructionists discussed their proposed theocracy that would reinstate Old Testatment laws. The prison problem would solved by only incarcerating criminals long enough to stand trial. After that, those convicted of capital crimes (of which there would be more) would be immediately executed and the rest would be sold into slavery, out of which a Christian could eventually earn his freedom back. What remained unsaid was what would happen to non-Christian slaves, that they were just plain SOL and could never regain their freedom? And also, wouldn't not being of the right religion be considered a crime under this system, thus automatically condemning entire sections of the population to a lifetime of slavery? And don't such "true Christians" also consider most other Christian denominations to not be Christian?
I also found an article in Christianity Today circa 1987 about Christian Reconstructionism. It quoted reconstructionists as denouncing democracy, human rights, religious liberty, etc, as humanistic heresies; one even denounced them as inventions of Satan. In fact, I seem to recall the article title to be something like Democracy as Heresy. On a positive note, that completely refutes the Religious Right's nonsensical claim that our government was based on biblical principles.
They've been at it for over 30 years now, resulting in the Republican Party having been taken over by religious ideologues and those who cater to them and in an increasingly polarized government and society. By their fruits you will know them.

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Message 219 of 1485 (631980)
09-05-2011 1:10 AM
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Re: Republican shit
I was notified of this jewel, written by someone who used to be a Republican:
Goodbye to All That: Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult
I happily invoke Godwin's Law:
In my mind, until the Republican Party has been reduced to nothing more than, perhaps, what the John Birch Society is today or, perhaps even the fictional Christopher Mott Society is, then we will continue to have Major Trouble in this land. Big Trouble. In fact the biggest trouble this nation has ever seen. Trouble! - and that starts with T which rhymes with P and that stands for Pool.
If we could see Adolph Hitler & Joseph Stalin watching what the Republican Party is doing every minute of every day, we would see two big smiles, almost being able to read their minds: "They learn well, our children."

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Dr Adequate
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Message 220 of 1485 (632358)
09-07-2011 11:15 AM


So, Bachmann's campaign manager and deputy manager have both quit.
In our continuing series on "Things Michele Bachmann doesn't know" ... this week she doesn't know that winning a straw poll (in which neither of the front runners bothered to participate) should not really be referred to as a "historic victory"; in the same way and for the same reason that a man with an inflatable sex doll should not refer to it as "my hot girlfriend".

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Message 221 of 1485 (632361)
09-07-2011 11:26 AM
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Dr Adequate writes:
in the same way and for the same reason that a man with an inflatable sex doll should not refer to it as "my hot girlfriend".
Are you insulting my hot girlfriend!?!

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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Message 222 of 1485 (633164)
09-12-2011 8:53 PM


In today's semi-news, famous nonentity Tim "Who?" Pawlenty has endorsed Mitt Romney and joined his campaign team.
This is important because

  
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Message 223 of 1485 (633365)
09-13-2011 6:41 PM


Bachmann still Bat shit crazy
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I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate, Bachmann said. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter.
Fact Check: No evidence to suggest HPV vaccine causes 'mental retardation'
Does she even understand what mental retardation is?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 224 of 1485 (633372)
09-13-2011 6:55 PM
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09-13-2011 6:41 PM


Re: Bachmann still Bat shit crazy
Does she even understand what mental retardation is?
Bill Maher was on Leno the other night, and he said (paraphrasing), "The best thing about Bachmann is that she is completely fact free." I couldn't agree more. If you are curious if something is right or wrong wait until Bachmann picks a side. That side is almost certain wrong.

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Message 225 of 1485 (633374)
09-13-2011 7:07 PM
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09-13-2011 6:41 PM


Re: Bachmann still Bat shit crazy
Theodoric writes:
Does she even understand what mental retardation is?
Those kinds of phrases are great for lying.
You can play on people's fears but cannot be held accountable.
If pushed, you simply reply: "I am only saying what the people are thinking."
"A man told me that his friend was mugged by Barack Obama. Look...I am just telling you what he said. People are scared to walk the streets! (Well, they will be when I've finished scaring them.)"

Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR
Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.

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