Anyone else here in the post-PC era?

I haven't figured out how to be productive with my regular computers!

For one thing, I never ever saw the home screen on that iPad, so how the frak could I tell what was on it? All I ever saw it being used for was playing games and fiddling with a graphics app that would take your picture and mess it all up in twisty-twirly ways. Yeah, real productive stuff. Hardly representative of what one would hope that it could do.I have Maps on my phone and I use it all the time. Never use the Directions menu option, though, since I know how to read a map (though it just draws a line on the map instead of giving you the standard long verbal list of where to turn). But as I said, I had no way of knowing whether it was on that device, which is now 3000 miles distant from me so I still can't see its home screen, nor would I have been likely to have thought of directions on Maps since I don't need directions given a map.Bottom line is still that they had to cripple (ie, remove capabilities) and dumb-down Google Earth for it to work on an iPad. I wouldn't expect them to be exactly like what they replace. However, I would expect them to be able to perform all the same tasks of what they replace.For example, I was trained on the Backup Intercept Controller (BUIC), a transistorized Burroughs mainframe that was designed to replace the Air Force's vacuum-tube monstrosity Semi-Automatic Ground Environment (SAGE) air-defense computer. They ended up scrapping the BUIC (our school had one of the last ones, if not the last) and keeping the SAGE because the BUIC could not handle the sheer volume of radar traffic that the SAGE could. A replacement that cannot replace what it's supposed to replace is not a replacement.So, can the iPad perform all the tasks of PCs?What compilers can you install on your iPad? What development systems? I'm a software engineer, so I need that capability. Does the iPad provide it? If not (and I doubt very much that it would), then please explain to me just exactly how an iPad is supposed to replace my PC.In my development and integration work, I need to be able to connect to devices (I do embedded programming), including RS232 and Ethernet. Does the iPad support that? It might able to, if it has enough standard USB connectors.I often need to work directly with files, a lot of low-level access. What kind of file utilities does the iPad have? Hardly any, I would think, since Apple is not at all known for allowing low-level access to its users. If none, then how could I do the work that I need to do?A lot of the writing I do is code, HTML, and the like, so I mainly use a text editor, only using Word for documents. What kind of editors does the iPad have? I remember having to dig pretty deep to find a text editor (SimpleText?) on my brother-in-law's iMac. Does the iPad have a text editor, or do you need to go out and shop for a third-party editor like I had to on my Android? Good. And hopefully they can also connect to real computers and not just Macs.Which points us towards the real role of these devices. Not as replacements for PCs, but rather as supplements to PCs. They have nowhere near the capabilities of a PC, but they have far greater mobility and longer battery life (I assume, given that a good laptop battery is only good for a few hours; my six-year-old laptop is down to zero seconds). You can load text files onto them and then away from your desk you can read files with reference data (eg, data formats or whatever). And you can work on your files and documents while away from your desk, though to compile anything you'd have to load them back into your PC. Basically, that's what I have been using my Palm Pilot for for years and my smartphone was supposed to replace that functionality, which it can but it's much more clumsy about it than the Pilot.iPads can be useful in their own ways, but not as replacements for PCs. Touchpads are very easy to use and, when I'm given a choice between using the touchpad or a mouse, more often than not my hand goes straight to the touchpad. Though for precision graphics work, nothing beats a trackball, except maybe a graphics pad (I've only used mice, touchpads, and trackballs, so that's as far as my personal experience goes in this matter).It's your personal preference. Maybe you're just too ham-fisted to use them; it does require a light touch. And it forces you to ignore a very simple solution to situations such as using your laptop at a bus-stop where all you can think of using is a mouse.Gee, aren't you the one who later on accuses me of being too inflexible and unwilling to accept that there are other ways to do something on a computer? And what did I say? And did you wait for it? No, you did not. I informed you later on that by going to a third party source I did finally discover the secret handshake that Apple requires.This introduces a point I will develop more down below: having to search through menu options for discover how to do something is one thing, but having to know secret handshakes to do something is entirely different. Having to know a secret handshake should not be required and only serves the purpose of secret handshakes: to exclude everybody else who's not an insider. Aye, as well it should have. But it didn't. That's the point. And yet the proof of the pudding is in the eating. This brand-new and high-end Mac knew absolutely nothing about AVI files. It does not matter one whit what an army of experts say that a computer should be able to do; the computer itself is the final arbiter on what it will and will not do. And this Mac said that it knew nothing about AVI files. Final word; case closed. Oh yeah, I'm just an old fart who knows nothing about computers. Honor graduate from USAF tech school, Electronic Computer Systems Repairman, in 1977. BS Computer Science 1980. Professional software engineer from release from active duty, 1982, to the present, mainly in embedded programming. Worked with MS-DOS from 1986 to around 1996 (though the first window I open when I boot up is still CMD, since I still do part of my work from the command line). With various versions of Windows from 3.0 to 7 (I did buy v1.0, but it didn't support my printer). And with a number of versions of Linux.Funny thing about Windows and Linux. With Windows, in every new version they dream up new ways to hide the things you need to work with, so every time you upgrade you need to figure out how to do it this time. Been through that several times. Different versions of Linux are the same way.Let me tell you the story of how I helped my brother-in-law with his iMac. He'd been using a Mac since school and earned his PhD using a Mac, but he only knew how to use Word and then later the web browser. Shortly after OS X came out, he bought a new iMac and a new hP printer. He followed hP's instructions and loaded the printer driver from the CD. And it wouldn't work right, doing really strange stuff. I suspected that the printer had been manfactured and packaged before the OS X drivers had been developed and that he had overwritten the iMac's OS X drivers with OS-9 drivers. So I went to hP's site and downloaded the OS X drivers for that particular printer. Since this was back before affordable USB thumb drives had enough capacity, my thumb drive couldn't hold that driver, so I kept it on my laptop's hard drive.Now, my only previous experience on a Mac was in 1985 at Hughes Aircraft when we used the Paint program on floppy-based first-generation Macs to combine text and graphics for presentation slides (BTW, my labelling of my data diskettes is where my name, DWise1, came from), and then again several years later to test out a Mac program on my brother-in-law's classic Mac (it was Dawkins' BIOMORPHS pgm from "Blind Watchmaker"). So, I got on his iMac and with no more help than for him to log me on, I created a new user account for myself that had sufficient privileges for what I had to do and enabled and set up an FTP server on the iMac. Then I got the IP address of the NIC for its RJ-45 connector -- for this, I cheated by finding the terminal program (no small feat in itself) and opened a shell to the BSD kernel under the hood where I used the ifconfig UNIX command. Armed with that address, I then set the IP address on my laptop to be on the same network (for explanation of why they had to be on the same network, refer to my webpage on IP Addresses, the section entitled So Why do They Need to be on the Same Network?, though you should also read the preceding section to understand what it means for two addresses to be on the same network. ). And of course in setting up the FTP server on the iMac (there were menus and dialogs for that), I also set up an FTP user account that I could log in with from my laptop. So I FTP'd the OSX driver into the iMac, then installed the new printer driver and now the printer worked just fine. Then I went back and cleaned up after myself, including deactivating the FTP server.Also, I did not encounter any need for knowing the secret handshake, because their iMac came with a two-button mouse and the right button not only worked just fine, but that was how I was able to work with the objects on the desktop. The really funny thing was that nobody in the household could understand what that second button was for, even after I explained it to them.And that was all done by this here old fart who doesn't "know anything about computers except how to use them in very specific, very circumscribed ways." [sarcasm]Yeah, right![/sarcasm]Playing around with it is an approach I usually take. But when you don't even have a clue what an app is supposed to do (eg, Bitbop, Peep, Rhapsody, Slacker), and when you try one they want you to set up an account ... Well, I've been on the Web for a couple decades now and have learned to be careful. And playing with the iPod is what I had done extensively. But where's the menu option to delete a video on the iPod nano? There isn't one, but rather you need to know the secret fucking handshake! This isn't a video game where you need to ferret out secrets, like blocking the bottom of the door with your towel so that your babelfish won't slide out through the crack, in order to get to the next level. And I had to Google for a third party to learn what that secret fucking handshake is, because Apple is too engrossed in playing stupid fucking mind-games with its customer base.Remember, the only purpose of a secret handshake is to exclude the vast majority of the population, which makes requiring knowledge of secret handskakes a serious design flaw. Thank you for proving the point I keep making: they're easy for those who don't know what they're doing, don't know anything about computers, and aren't doing anything productive/useful.Nor is the use of a GUI and a pointing device (which in your example is the Pointing Device Mark 1, AKA "a finger"), restricted to Apple products. When I obtained the first Windows version of Word (we had been using the DOS version of WordPerfect), I installed it at home but didn't mention it to anybody. When I returned home from work the next day, my 9-year-old son was writing his homework using Word. He had noticed it on there and started using it.The same as I have done for many years with countless other Windows applications and Linux applications. Which is what exactly? Knowing the technology and how it works is a flawed approach? In the Apple universe maybe, but not in the real world.And just what is the "unflawed approach to technology"? The view that it's all FM? "Fucking Magic." Like when the Foundation started exporting technology to the neighboring barbarian worlds, they turned it into a religion and they trained the barbarian technicians as priests: "Say this prayer in just the right way and then press that button and the reactor will start up." PFM ("pure fucking magic").Which brings us back to what I've been saying all along and which you keep confirming: Apple software is for people who don't understand computers and damnably frustrating for those who do.In a co-worker's home, he has a PC and his wife has a Mac. Since he's an electrical engineer and has been working with all aspects of computers for decades, when she has a problem with her Mac then it's his job to fix the problem. And it's a frustrating struggle for him to go through all the menus to figure out how to do that. He also has an iPod and he also has been frustrated by iTunes. We've talked about it and we both agree that Apple software is for people who don't understand computers and most definitely not for people who do know. What were you trying to do with search that it didn't work for you? It has been a life-saver for me many times over.I was active on CompuServe from about 1986 to 1997; one reason for my original website was to repost essays I had written for the library of the Science and Religion section where we discussed creation/evolution. When I started, it was a dial-up service with a 300-baud modem (or a 110 baud, but I know from experience in school that I can type faster than that -- using the 110-baud TeleDyne terminal hooked up to the PDP-8 we were using in one class, I'd have to stop every half-sentence or so to let it catch up with me). And they charged by the minute of connect time. So while you're reading a message, the meter was running, and while you were typing a long response, the meter was running. So, to save money, this "old fart who doesn't know anything about computers" took advantage of two features in my terminal emulator program: capturing input from distant-end into a text file and streaming a text file as output to distant-end. So I would turn the capture file on and log in, navigate to where I needed to post responses, and stream out my responses that I had written ahead of time. Then I would "read" all the messages and other files I found of interest, just to capture them locally. Then I would log off, having spent a minimal amount of time connected, and I would read the capture file off-line and write my responses for the next session.As a result of that practice, I have years of sessions archived in text files. So when a topic comes up and I remember having discussed it years ago on CompuServe, I can go back to that file and retrieve that discussion. OK, now exactly when was that? My memory isn't that good, so instead I search through all those files for a particular keyword. Sure I'd get some false hits, but few enough that I could easily search through individual files and find what I'm looking for.That works just fine with XP Search, but no longer works with Win 7 Search.Similarly, I have archived my emails and can search through them in the same manner. Except that it no longer works in Win 7.Then there's my ex-wife, "The Spanish Inquisition." She was not only technologically challenged, but even techno-beligerant. When we were using WordPerfect (DOS version, so keyboard short-cuts were used extensively; not an example of secret handshakes, since those key combinations were well-documented and I even had bought templates that fit around the keyboard to tell you what they are), she drove me crazy because she wanted me to stand behind her all the time and tell her exactly what keys to press -- and she was a better typist than I was. So I suggested that she just bash everything in and then I would come back and put the formatting in, but she absolutely refused and insisted that she had to format it as she went -- on a typewriter, you were trained to format immediately, since once it's on the paper you're stuck with it. Then when she was working on her masters (she's a teacher) and had to do a lot of typing she finally figured out how to turn the computer on and off and how to run Word and how to use it. At that point, the problem was that she could never find her documents again. She'd call me in, angry at me because my computer had lost her document. OK, where did you put it? I don't know. OK, what did you name it? I don't know and I don't care; you just find it. OK, since you've given me absolutely nothing to work with, can you tell me how long ago you had last changed it?And she could tell me at least that much. So I fired up Search (by that time, we had Windows ME, then later Windows 2000) and looked for all *.doc files created or modified however many days ago and we'd look at the small list that created and find her missing document. Then I would explain to her yet again the importance of giving her documents short meaningful names (offering some suggestions) and of putting them in a specific place (I even set up the folders for her). And she would never follow my suggestions (nobody could even tell her what to do, as she would repeatedly brag) and the next time angrily call me in because my computer had lost her new document again!Even ME and 2K Search worked just fine and saved my skin many times and XP Search was just as good. So I cannot imagine in what universe it wouldn't have worked.

Young punk! I am currently six months away from retiring from the Navy Reserve. I'm being forced out because I will officially be too old, 60.Out of curiosity, what kind of work do you do? Specifically, what kinds of tasks on the computer does it require you to perform?Then, what is it about the iPads vs the Transformer that makes the one unsuitable and the other suitable for performing those tasks? Is it only the ability to attach a physical keyboard to the Transformer, and hence enable one to touch-type, or is there more?I had heard about airline pilots having switch all their books and charts to iPads. When I was "in the war" (common USAF parlance for being on active duty; this was during the Cold War), since we were the only 24-hour secure shop in the Bomb Wing, we were given the flight packets to sign out to the flight crews. They were big leather briefcases, open-top and 8 inches wide, crammed full of books and charts and one or two brick-size devices. The main point is that that was a lot of material to have to take up with you and that to squeeze all that (except for the devices, whatever they were) into an iPad form-factor reduces a lot of clutter in the cockpit. I just hope that they keep a back-up on hand in case of iPad failure or malfunction.

Wow, someone's angry at Apple for some reason, it seems. You could've swiped through them? That's because it's not representative of what it can do. It can be productive, if you use the right apps. You might not, but you can't fault a device for not being able to give you the distance between two points, when in fact it is perfectly capable of doing so, just because you didn't spot the app on it's homescreen. I don't know about cripple, but yes, they took out a lot of functionality, and that's a shame really. Well, if you want to be able to do everything you can do on a PC, I guess the device for you is a PC. Of course it can't do everything a PC can, a PC is far more powerful than a tablet. It all depends on what you use the device for. If all you ever do on a PC is browse, mail, social network thingies and some light games, you might consider getting an iPad or android tablet, because basically, you're wasting the power of the PC on that. No. And I don't know anyone that claims it can. It would be stupid, since PCs can be much more powerful than an iPad. Macs are real computers. But yes, They work on windows machines as well. However, the iTunes is always there, watching everything you do, plotting your downfall.... ;P Not as a replacement for all PCs. Some PCs it can replace just fine, as can android tabs, by the way. You'll really like Apple's Magic Trackpad ("magic"? Really Apple?). I've heard it's very good. Probably won't work on a windows PC though, damn Apple. If only you had a MAC. I don't know about that. I've always worked with MACs with two button mice. Also, I knew about the "secret handshake" from the moment I started using MAC OS. You know, I'm a "push all buttons" kinda guy, which is how I found out. Not that I use MAC OS alot, I'm usually a windows guy. But I can imagine it being a bit frustating when not used to one button mice and not being a "push all buttons" kinda guy. No idea what caused this, but I've never had a doubleclick not open a folder. Just like windows doesn't play some formats without the proper codecs. Just install VLC player and play everything you want, on both MAC and Windows PCs. That's not what he said, and you clearly know a great deal about some computer prgrams, and programming in general. However, you don't seem to have that "experiment to find out" mentality that a lot of young(er) folk have when it comes to computers. Trust me, both MAC OSx and Windows work just fine, you just have to learn to use both of them. I could support you a bit on iOS though, that's a bit too restrictive for my personal liking, but hey, to each his own, right? And yet, you complain when it doesn't do something very specific the way you want it to act.In any case, just becasue an OS is different, doesn't mean it's bad. MAC OSx and Windows both work fine, they're jut a bit different. I know, I've worked with both. And while I prefer Windows (but that's mainly because I like to game on my PC as well), I could probably do everything else on MAC OSx as well.

Oi! I'm 29, and I'm not old! Yeah they do, idiots. I don't know about the transformer (never worked with it), but couldn't they just as easily use a bluetooth keyboard? Although I guess the 500 gigs of extra space you soldered into it might be an advantage. Tell them to jailbreak the iPad, they can use the camera connection kit to plug in a portable hard drive, as long as they have an external power source nearby. What makes this one more productive than a jailbroken iPad with a bluetooth keyboard and a portable HD inserted into it's camera connection kit? Has it got some apps the iPad hasn't? I don't know, I haven't had the fortune of working with a Honeycomb tablet yet. If it really is that much better at this stuff, I might just get it and sell my iPad. Why care so much about how a product is marketed? Not in my experience, but some are. You should see some of the wondows users where I work though. I have to change their screen resolution for them (and lots of other things, of course), even after I explained to them how to do it.

I use my pc for heavy duty tasks like making really fancy presentations and autocad. But just to read autocad I can just use the transformer. And yes, having a physical keyboard makes all the difference in the world. It allows me to type up reports right there and then.I do a combination of concrete tests in the field and in the lab. One of the things we've been working on is an alternate material to act as reinforcement in concrete. Hence me being away from home most of the time. I hardly come here anymore these days.I don't know about computer engineer like yourself, but over here in the civil/structural, we have to use the ASTM and ACI standards a lot as reference. You wouldn't believe how big these books are. I just use the pdf on my transformer.And since my transformer + dock is only about 2 lb, I can pretty much take it anywhere I want. With 16 hr battery life, I can go through the entire day without even thinking about looking for an outlet to recharge. Well, they're both pretty much the same if you ignore the transformer keyboard dock and the extra battery life.Again, everyone I know has an ipad 2, and none of them use the ipad 2 for productivity. They don't know how. There's no keyboard. It's a bitch to type with the soft keyboard.The transformer can act both as a laptop and a tablet. When I just need to quickly look up specs as reference, I just use the tablet. When I need to do more heavy typing duties, I just plug it into the keyboard and type away. The keyboard dock will always charge the tablet, so I don't even need to worry about that. And everything I do needs to be documented, so it's always nice to have something so mobile around.This is not to mention I can hand write directly into my pdf documents as notes for myself. Damn, you're old. I'm still waiting for the big 30. Not just the clutter, but also the fuel. My uncle's airline estimates that they'd save about $130 million each year on fuel. In fact, they have several backups. I think overall they have like one for each pilot and copilot and a few extras. And in the very unlikely event that all of them failed, they can receive instructions over the radio.Progress!

You answered your own question. I have 1 thing to carry around that has a touch screen, 98% full size keyboard, 2 usb, a micro sd, full size sdcard slot, an hdmi out, and a 500 GB hard drive, all in one package. This is not to mention the 16 hr battery that I have.To achieve the same thing with the ipad or ipad 2, you need to carry around a separate bluetooth keyboard, an external hard drive, a charger, and that $40 hdmi adapter for the ipad 2.Oh wait, there's no usb slot at all for the ipad or ipad 2 so you can't even use an external hard drive. And there's no possibility of micro sd or sdcard expansion.Are you a fanboy? I've found that fanboys will try everything they can to put down everyone else's devices. Take my experience, for example. I was sitting on the train minding my own business when an ipad 2 owner sat down next to me. He promptly asked me which ipad I had and I said it's not an ipad it's a transformer. He then said, and I swear on my mother's grave, "oh, you have an imitation". Because there's a lot of potential with the ipad and ipad 2. And I care deeply about my fellow man. Apple is dumbing down the population by making everyone think their $500 device is nothing more than a toy. Well, I've known some pretty dumb windows users, too. But I have never known an apple user in my life that knows half the things I know, and I consider myself a dummy in the tech world.Added by edit.This weekend, I plan on installing ubuntu and dual boot with honeycomb in my transformer.Take that, apple fanboy Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Well, when almost all my experiences with a Mac and with Apple software have been frustrating, compounded by poor support ... .Not angry at Apple. I just know better than to go all ga-ga over their newest toys. Besides which what they have to offer is not what I seek.Also, this topic started with the idea of iPads and the like replacing PCs. They are obviously not able to replace PCs. They can augment PCs and be used as a substitute for some activities, but there are too many jobs that they simply cannot perform, so they will not replace PCs. A future form of a pad might eventually be able to do that, but not the present-day ones.Also, I never got a chance to even touch my niece's iPad, so there was no way I could have possibly swiped through anything on it. Either my great-nephew was playing with it or my niece was downloading Google Earth and trying to work with it. I never had any way of knowing whether Maps was on it or not.I feel fully justifying in faulting that pared-down shadow of a Google Earth for not being able to calculate distances as a full version can. But since I had no way of knowing what other apps may or may not have been loaded on that thing, shouldn't you be faulting my niece, whose iPad it was, for not realizing that another app on the thing could have done the job? Assuming that app was there, of course.So you're a "push all the buttons" kind'a guy, huh? Ever try that on an Apple II? One of those buttons was the power button, right up there in the upper-right corner. Ever push that one when you didn't mean to? It wasn't my computer and the class wanted it displayed right now. I ended up playing it back on my camera with everybody having to crowd around. Even though I have repeatedly pointed out that that is a mischaracterization? I have indeed gone into several different operating systems and had to explore around and experiment to find out how to use them. I could even figure out how to perform non-trivial tasks on an iMac which fortunately had a two-button mouse (which in my experience is an extremely rare thing to find attached to a Mac). But Apple software seems to have its own little way of doing things that just defies logic. Which is quite true. Though there's also the question of why?. What does the Mac have to offer me to make that effort? I honestly cannot think of a single thing that I would want to be able to do on a Mac that I couldn't also do better on a PC. The only possible motivation I can think of would be to be prepared for that dreaded occasion where I would be require to do something on a Mac. No, my problem is when it just plain doesn't work. I know what task I need to accomplish. If I cannot accomplish it with a particular tool, then that's not the right tool for the job. And if one tool is far more unwieldy than another, then I don't have any use for that unwieldy tool, unless there is no other alternative. Except where one of them does not work, period. Again, if a tool cannot do the job, then that is not the right tool for the job. And if one tool is more unwieldy than another, it's the unwieldy tool that will not be used.

Hmm yes, I see your point. It's a far more compact package that way. There is with the camera connection kit. But yes, Apple's stupid that way. Give me that USB port already, Steve! No, I'm not, which you can tell from me not putting down your device. I was simply interested in what you think the advantages were over an iPad 2. And you've made that clear, it's really an all in one package, whereas with the iPad, thanks to Apple wanting to restrict everything, you need a buttload of extra shit to reach that level of productivity. Did you punch him? He deserved it. If there's one thing I hate about Apple products it's that everyone thinks I'm a douche when using them. Ok, fair enough. BUt if they'd market it as somehing other than fun, they probably wouldn't sell as much of them. Don't blame the marketing, blame the people for being easily distracted by shiny things. Well, perhaps if you knew nothing but Apple. Yeah I could see that happening. Well, that would completely make it an awesome device.

I never understood that going ga-ga over their new toys either. I mean seriously, they're just devices people, calm the fuck down. And if it's not for you it's not for you, fair enough. Well, Like I said, they might replace some PCs. Sure, for work related purposes, the PC will probably be around for a bit longer, but for home use (depending on what that home use is), I can see them replacing PCs. Android tablets as well though, it's not like this is an exclusive iPad feat. Ok, fair enough. That just shows that you should always try stuff out for yourself before you criticize it. Hmm, you know what, I should. Your niece is dumb. By the way, it comes pre-loaded on every iPad, and cannot be uninstalled, so yes, it was there. Never worked with an Apple II, like I said I'm 29, that was a bit before my time. In any case, I hope it was clearly marked "power" or something, in which case I would not have pushed it. Well, ok. it is pretty stupid that it didn't recognize one of the most common video files. I'll give you that much. Ok, that's your experience, it's nothing like mine. Guess we'll just have to disagree here. Again, if it's not your thing it's not your thing. Other than "it looks shiny" and "look at me I'm so hip". No idea. That said, it's not as if MAC OSx isn't at least just as good (in my experience). But of course, it's not like I do something like programming on a computer. Ah I see. Well ok, again, if it's not your thing it's not your thing. In my experience they're both just fine. Perhaps there are situations in which Windows is superior, I just haven't found them yet. And for everyday use, they're both perfectly capable of doing the same things. The only downside to a MAC is it's price, and the fact that you can't really game on it.

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What other OS's does the Transformer run? Netbook stuff, like lite versions of Windows?Again, just curious. Always been an ASUS fan and it sounds like a useful little device.

Specifically what defies logic? Again, double-clicking folders always opens folders. It doesn't ever do anything else on a Mac. If it did something else it's because you didn't double click it a folder.The "secret handshake" is Control-click, which doesn't make anything available that isn't already available in the main menus and is actually pretty intuitive; I guessed my way to it the first time I used OS X with no prompting, on my first try. Macs have had precisely the right-clicking behavior you think is missing for several years, now.And it seems to me that if Macs are intuitive for people who have little to now computer experience, that proves how intuitive they are. If they're completely counterintuitive to someone like you, then it's for the reason I've already explained - your previous computer experience has altered all your instincts when it comes to computers. "Better" in what way that isn't simply a function of your far greater experience with other OS's?Look, I'm perfectly OK with you using the platforms you know the best. Nothing is stupider than Apple evangelism that says that you're an idiot if you don't go out and buy a new computer right now. You're probably several hundred dollars committed into applications on the PC side, plus another several hundred at least in PC hardware. Nobody expects you to switch, that's stupid. What would you gain? Nothing.But why say such demonstratively untrue things about the Mac platform? Why make such sweepingly inaccurate characterizations and pretend your opinion has some kind of objectivity? Why can't you just say "eh, don't use Macs, I prefer PC's, probably not gonna buy an iPhone either" and be done with it? Why the Apple hate in a thread that isn't even about iPads?Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.

It's not compatible with windows 7 or xp. Trust me, some of us have tried to port it. MS announced, though, that windows 8 is compatible with tegra 2. So, I can't wait to get my hands on windows 8 and try to port it into the transformer. I'm drooling over it right now.