Religious Conversions

Again as I said on the previous thread, all you have are anecdotes. Why don't you go find some evidence that more people are converting to Christianity than are converting to Islam, Then come back and post something that supports your assertion.

So Catholics are not Christians? But alas you provide absolutely no evidence for this assertion. Just because you continue to say it does not make it so. Provide evidence and someone might believe you. Why?
Actually your opinion has no affect on reality.

Joel C. Rosenberg?? Really. He writes christian end time thrillers. He is an end time nutball. Three months? Three whole months? Where in the mideast? Egypt? Syria?, Iraq? or maybe Israel. SourceI have spent 3 months in Israel. I guess that makes me a mideast expert too.I will tell Joel the same thing as you. Provide evidence and tell us why it matters.

I think Chuck has the same issue with evidence that Buz does. He truly does not understand what the word means and what we are asking for when we ask for evidence. I think this will be a recurring problem here.

Alas, seemingly according to Chuckie you can. Message 16Seemingly he would not count Catholics as Christians, but I think most people do.

Maybe you should read about the No True Scotsman FallacyWe read them. All you posted were anecdotes. No evidence. There is nothing to research.Even if it is true, how does that make Christianity any more "true" than other religions?

I think we are hitting our heads against the wall, because fundamentalists of all stripes are going to put more credence on Testimony than evidence.

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In religion, testimony generally involves an inward belief or outward profession of faith or of personal religious experience.

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Christians in general use the term "testify" or "to give one's testimony" to mean "the story of how one became a Christian"; less commonly it may refer to a specific event in a Christian's life in which they believe God has done something deemed particularly worth sharing. Christians often give their testimony at their own baptism or at evangelistic events. In the current age of the Internet, many Christians have also placed their testimonies on the internet.

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SourceWhen Chuck accepts Testimony over evidence, he also has a tendency to throw in qualifiers like "more" and "most" that he is incapable of backing up with evidence.We have seen that here and on another thread where he claimed that "most" religions had stolen their creation story from the christian bible. In both threads he was incapable of supporting either claim.The nut of the problem is that as a fundie he accepts testimony over evidence. Not sure how we get around that.P.S.It is "rein", not "reign".

Care to share the site with us so we can see what kind of sources they use. Also, the words "a lot" are very relative. Is "a lot" 10? 100? 1000? 10,000? more?

Yes I see that point(and acknowledge it is a very good point), but I really wonder what is meant by "a lot". This is by no means meant to be an attack on CS or to paint him into a corner. The term "a lot " is very subjective and means different things to different people. I wonder how the site he mentions quantifies the number of conversions.

I did a search and found a few sites. I was wondering what you had found. I did not want to criticize your source when I did not know your source.I am not at all doubting there are people in Pakistan converting to Islam from Christianity and other religions.It seems all of the articles I found on Google point to this article as their original source.The article says

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Dog-eared and tattered, the blue book is an inch thick and sits on a dented metal table in the corner office of Jamia Naeemia, an Islamic school tucked in a scattering of cement-walled homes and roadside shops.

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Many believe the book offers the promise of safety and perhaps even a better chance at prosperity.

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The book is a registry used to document religious converts to Islam and officials at Jamia Naeemia say business is brisk nowadays.

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At least 20 to 25 former Christians adopt Islam each week by pledging an oath and signing a green and white document in which they accept Islam as the most beautiful religion and promise to remain in the religion of Islam for the rest of my life, acknowledging that blessings are only from God.

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Human rights advocates say it’s no surprise some of Pakistan’s 3 million Christians are adopting Islam. These are vexing and dangerous days for the country’s religious minorities.

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Not sure how anyone gets a lot from that. Why do I even try to engage you at all?

I disagree there is a relevance here. If the true number is not "a lot" then your point does not have the significance you think it does and Chuck could turn that around and use the argument against you. There may be a miniscule # or people converting out of fear or there may be a huge #. As of yet we have very little data. Not at all but when you use terms like "a lot" I want to see the data. It isn't my problem if you do not want to provide anything to back up you statements. I just feel it is bad form to make a statement that has nothing factual to back it up. Your use of the term "a lot" was a poor choice considering the data you seem to have had.Lets look at your original comment If the data does not show that there is "a lot" converting out of fear but instead because they felt Islam was true than your point is pointless.As to the rest of your comments. They are not worth responding to. If you want to go off topic please take it elsewhere.

Now isnt that easier than being rude? I disagree on the relevance issue, but you make a good argument.

I know this has been asked repeatedly, but will venture to ask again.Even if this premise were true(and has been pointed out you have no evidence for, just anecdotes), what does it mean?Does this somehow make your flavour of Christianity(as you seem to feel Catholics, and I assume other "christian" groups you do not agree with, are not Christians) is some how more "true".ABEI see you used the phrase "a few" here. Seems you are trying to back pedal a little form your earlier statements. So if even one more Moslem converts to Christianity then the reverse, does Christianity "win"?Edited by Theodoric, : Final thought