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Message 328 of 683 (625701)
07-25-2011 6:36 AM
Reply to: Message 323 by Chuck77
07-25-2011 4:42 AM


Re: Definition of species thread
Chuck77 writes:
Joe tried to add to the conversation but like always, because of the reputation he has because of people like YOU, he is never taken seriously and insulted constantly, along with His english, pathetic. It's a debate site, if you want no opposing views go to talk origins.
IamJoseph has a long history here of incoherence and inability to stay on topic. He has a predilection for religious arguments in science threads. If you understand what he is saying and would like to act as interpreter then your help would be greatly appreciated.
When you first joined your attention was focused on the science, and I urge you to continue in that vein. Instead of acting as cheerleader from the sidelines you could get into the fray and help out your fellow creationists by providing scientific evidence and arguments.

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Message 339 of 683 (627463)
08-02-2011 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by Nuggin
08-02-2011 2:21 PM


Re: The purpose of this thread
Hi Nuggin,
Trying to moderate through words alone often proves ineffective, and I think I've already proven to myself that more words from me are not going to convince you of my views on what constitutes valid debate here at EvC Forum. But one last time before I go the suspension route, please try to get into the spirit of things here. Give the Forum Guidelines another quick read, especially rule 10.
I know the PZ Myers approach, or more locally the Dr Adequate approach, is a real good read, but it really gets in the way of constructive dialogue.

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Message 341 of 683 (627486)
08-02-2011 3:44 PM
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08-02-2011 3:08 PM


Re: The purpose of this thread
Is there a specific post you would like to call to my attention?

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Message 369 of 683 (633459)
09-14-2011 6:30 AM
Reply to: Message 368 by fearandloathing
09-14-2011 6:26 AM


Re: Spammer
Thanks for the report!

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Message 384 of 683 (634020)
09-18-2011 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 382 by Buzsaw
09-18-2011 8:44 AM


Re: Larni Signature Juxtaposing Unidentified Quotes of Members
If a signature is causing problems then moderators will address it (common problems are being offensive or too long), but in this case the problem was some sort of confusion between message and signature, this is from your Message 100:
buzsaw writes:
Had you linked the quote for clarification, perhaps your message could be comprehended
But the signature isn't part of the message, and lack of attribution seems a post facto complaint to cover embarrassment that is unrelated to the original problem.
If the members quoted have no objection to Larni attributing them in his signature and Larni doesn't mind updating his signature, then since it now contains three different quotes I think attribution might be a good idea. But signatures represent an opportunity for members to express their individuality, so normally signatures are given a lot of leeway.

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Message 398 of 683 (634412)
09-21-2011 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 397 by Bolder-dash
09-21-2011 10:56 AM


Bolder-dash Suspended for 4 Weeks
Hi Bolder-dash,
As you've been informed many times, you can remain here as long as you contribute constructively to discussions, including discussions in threads like this one about discussion problems. Your pattern is to keep escalating until you draw moderator attention, at which point you switch to complaining about moderation.
As I informed you in Message 87 of the Wright et al. on the Process of Mutation thread, administrative action would be the next step. See you next month.

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Message 413 of 683 (636544)
10-07-2011 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 410 by New Cat's Eye
10-07-2011 10:35 AM


Re: Infinite brickbats and targets tempt the tosser
It used to work the way you describe, but the algorithm was changed when the system was revamped a couple months ago. A single individual can bring down a member's rating by simply giving Jeers votes to many of his messages. Only messages from the last 90 days count toward a member's rating.
There are several avenues for addressing this problem:
  • Limiting the number of votes that can be cast in a time period. For instance, maybe a member would only be permitted to cast 5 votes in any 24-hour period.
  • Limiting the total number of votes available at any one time. For instance, if a member had a store of 10 votes and used one of them, he would only have 9 votes left. The vote store would be replenished on some schedule, for instance, give each member an additional vote every day, up to a maximum of 10.
  • Detecting when someone is voting for messages all from a single member and disallowing it.
Abuse has been rare (though that doesn't make the objects of abuse of the system feel any better) so this is not high on the priority list.

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Message 417 of 683 (636679)
10-09-2011 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 416 by Straggler
10-09-2011 11:30 AM


Re: Infinite brickbats and targets tempt the tosser
Straggler writes:
My own rating seems to have a mind of it's own. Everytime I log on it is a bit different with no obvious reason as to why in most cases.
The member rating covers the last 90 days of messages. If you were brilliant 90 days ago, then on that 91st day your member rating will likely go down. Conversely, if you were muttonheaded 90 days ago, the reverse may happen. Add to this that the member rating will be affected by new votes for any of your messages over the past 90 days and member ratings can easily move several times a week.
Unless you're cramming a lot of erudition into very few words, the easiest way to get a low member rating is posting many short comment-style messages that receive no votes. The number of messages over the past 90 days is the denominator.
I plan to add the ability to list your messages that have received votes, and several other ways to list voted messages, too.
--Percy

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Message 420 of 683 (637747)
10-17-2011 5:54 PM


I think you're even.

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Message 422 of 683 (638446)
10-22-2011 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 421 by Chuck77
10-22-2011 7:32 AM


Re: Panda
If you don't mind analogies, it looks to me like you're going 35 mph in the fast line and are complaining that people are blowing their horns at you.
I think everyone is curious how engaging in discussion with you constitutes scientific study of the supernatural. Myself included. You seem to be personalizing the debate. Discussing how to scientifically study the supernatural shouldn't require personal testimonies of faith.
No one here wants Christians to lose their faith, but some Christians claim their religious beliefs are scientifically valid. This website examines that claim.

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Message 430 of 683 (640797)
11-13-2011 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 429 by Butterflytyrant
11-13-2011 10:54 AM


AdminPD is having experiencing computer problems, but perhaps AdminPhat will weigh in.
This won't help, but let me say that IamJoseph has never been able to provide support for his positions, and he has proven immune to moderation. My approach has been to exclude him from threads that he begins to disrupt, but you're in a one-on-one, so I have no answers.

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Message 446 of 683 (642426)
11-28-2011 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 445 by Buzsaw
11-28-2011 3:26 PM


Re: GD Spinoff Request
The conditions of your return to the science forums remain unchanged.

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Message 464 of 683 (646909)
01-07-2012 9:04 AM


Please Move the Discussion
The recent discussion is very interesting, but could it perhaps be moved to the General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') thread?
Let me make just a few brief comments.
I would love for Buz to be able to return to the science forums, but for better or worse I have set certain standards for participation there, and the most important is that discussion there be evidence-based. Robert Byers, Dawn Bertot and IamJoseph, to name three members who are familiar to most, have also run afoul of this requirement.
About evidence, I don't see evidence as being either creationist or evolutionist. Events that actually happened or things that actually existed leave evidence behind. I see evidence as a neutral player in the debate.
This site exists to examine creationism's assertion that its theories are every bit as much scientific as currently accepted scientific theories in fields like geology, cosmology, physics and biology.

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Message 469 of 683 (648637)
01-17-2012 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 468 by Trixie
01-17-2012 7:09 AM


To Coyote, Larni and Trixie
Thank you for bringing this to moderator attention. It is no surprise that Dawn is as uncomprehending and incomprehensible as ever.
Moderator concerns about Dawn are primarily that his participation might cause threads to descend into anarchy and confusion. But as this is a Coffee House thread, and as it is his last post to the thread since it's in summation mode, I see no need for any action. Please trust that if anyone were to begin posting in such a way to one of the science threads that they would be asked to improve their conformance to the Forum Guidelines or cease posting.

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Message 483 of 683 (652502)
02-14-2012 8:34 AM


Hugenot
Thanks, guys, we'll see what happens.

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