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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Chuck77 writes: Joe tried to add to the conversation but like always, because of the reputation he has because of people like YOU, he is never taken seriously and insulted constantly, along with His english, pathetic. It's a debate site, if you want no opposing views go to talk origins. IamJoseph has a long history here of incoherence and inability to stay on topic. He has a predilection for religious arguments in science threads. If you understand what he is saying and would like to act as interpreter then your help would be greatly appreciated. When you first joined your attention was focused on the science, and I urge you to continue in that vein. Instead of acting as cheerleader from the sidelines you could get into the fray and help out your fellow creationists by providing scientific evidence and arguments.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Hi Nuggin,
Trying to moderate through words alone often proves ineffective, and I think I've already proven to myself that more words from me are not going to convince you of my views on what constitutes valid debate here at EvC Forum. But one last time before I go the suspension route, please try to get into the spirit of things here. Give the Forum Guidelines another quick read, especially rule 10. I know the PZ Myers approach, or more locally the Dr Adequate approach, is a real good read, but it really gets in the way of constructive dialogue.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Is there a specific post you would like to call to my attention?
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Thanks for the report!
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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If a signature is causing problems then moderators will address it (common problems are being offensive or too long), but in this case the problem was some sort of confusion between message and signature, this is from your Message 100:
buzsaw writes: Had you linked the quote for clarification, perhaps your message could be comprehended But the signature isn't part of the message, and lack of attribution seems a post facto complaint to cover embarrassment that is unrelated to the original problem. If the members quoted have no objection to Larni attributing them in his signature and Larni doesn't mind updating his signature, then since it now contains three different quotes I think attribution might be a good idea. But signatures represent an opportunity for members to express their individuality, so normally signatures are given a lot of leeway.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Hi Bolder-dash,
As you've been informed many times, you can remain here as long as you contribute constructively to discussions, including discussions in threads like this one about discussion problems. Your pattern is to keep escalating until you draw moderator attention, at which point you switch to complaining about moderation. As I informed you in Message 87 of the Wright et al. on the Process of Mutation thread, administrative action would be the next step. See you next month.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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It used to work the way you describe, but the algorithm was changed when the system was revamped a couple months ago. A single individual can bring down a member's rating by simply giving Jeers votes to many of his messages. Only messages from the last 90 days count toward a member's rating.
There are several avenues for addressing this problem:
Abuse has been rare (though that doesn't make the objects of abuse of the system feel any better) so this is not high on the priority list.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Straggler writes: My own rating seems to have a mind of it's own. Everytime I log on it is a bit different with no obvious reason as to why in most cases. The member rating covers the last 90 days of messages. If you were brilliant 90 days ago, then on that 91st day your member rating will likely go down. Conversely, if you were muttonheaded 90 days ago, the reverse may happen. Add to this that the member rating will be affected by new votes for any of your messages over the past 90 days and member ratings can easily move several times a week. Unless you're cramming a lot of erudition into very few words, the easiest way to get a low member rating is posting many short comment-style messages that receive no votes. The number of messages over the past 90 days is the denominator. I plan to add the ability to list your messages that have received votes, and several other ways to list voted messages, too. --Percy
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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I think you're even.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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If you don't mind analogies, it looks to me like you're going 35 mph in the fast line and are complaining that people are blowing their horns at you.
I think everyone is curious how engaging in discussion with you constitutes scientific study of the supernatural. Myself included. You seem to be personalizing the debate. Discussing how to scientifically study the supernatural shouldn't require personal testimonies of faith. No one here wants Christians to lose their faith, but some Christians claim their religious beliefs are scientifically valid. This website examines that claim.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
AdminPD is having experiencing computer problems, but perhaps AdminPhat will weigh in.
This won't help, but let me say that IamJoseph has never been able to provide support for his positions, and he has proven immune to moderation. My approach has been to exclude him from threads that he begins to disrupt, but you're in a one-on-one, so I have no answers.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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The conditions of your return to the science forums remain unchanged.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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The recent discussion is very interesting, but could it perhaps be moved to the General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List') thread?
Let me make just a few brief comments. I would love for Buz to be able to return to the science forums, but for better or worse I have set certain standards for participation there, and the most important is that discussion there be evidence-based. Robert Byers, Dawn Bertot and IamJoseph, to name three members who are familiar to most, have also run afoul of this requirement. About evidence, I don't see evidence as being either creationist or evolutionist. Events that actually happened or things that actually existed leave evidence behind. I see evidence as a neutral player in the debate. This site exists to examine creationism's assertion that its theories are every bit as much scientific as currently accepted scientific theories in fields like geology, cosmology, physics and biology.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Thank you for bringing this to moderator attention. It is no surprise that Dawn is as uncomprehending and incomprehensible as ever.
Moderator concerns about Dawn are primarily that his participation might cause threads to descend into anarchy and confusion. But as this is a Coffee House thread, and as it is his last post to the thread since it's in summation mode, I see no need for any action. Please trust that if anyone were to begin posting in such a way to one of the science threads that they would be asked to improve their conformance to the Forum Guidelines or cease posting.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Thanks, guys, we'll see what happens.
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