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nwr
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Message 76 of 136 (632810)
09-10-2011 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by fearandloathing
09-10-2011 9:53 AM


Re: The 9-11 cult of terrorism\fear
fearandloathing writes:
When you hear "terrorist" now you think of a Arabic person probably.
I am more likely to think of Michelle Bachman or Rick Perry. They are scary.

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fearandloathing
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Message 77 of 136 (632811)
09-10-2011 10:35 AM
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09-10-2011 10:23 AM


Re: The 9-11 cult of terrorism\fear
I am more likely to think of Michelle Bachman or Rick Perry. They are scary.
LOL... And homegrown.
I do think of 9/11 when I hear the words terrorist or terrorism? Maybe someone who lived through the Oklahoma city event would think differently? I think of the WTC and Islamic extremist first though, thanks to the media.
My father, 81, and a lot of his generation probably think of Pearl Harbor when they hear Japan mentioned, because of the impact it had on their lives through the images in papers and news reels before films.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

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fearandloathing
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Message 78 of 136 (633713)
09-15-2011 6:43 PM


Fort Bragg Concert
I have seen this story a few times now, I thought maybe it might be worth consideration.
quote:
Fort Bragg hosted a Christian-themed "Rock the Fort" concert last September that was sponsored by the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, and was touted as "evangelistic in nature," according to the three groups.
The groups alleged that Fort Bragg chaplains promoted the event, which received "$50,000 in financial support, and $30,000 in logistical and security support" from the Army. Such actions "cannot be squared with (Army) regulations, much less with the First Amendment," the groups said.
The letter also complained that a recent attempt to hold an atheist-themed "Rock Beyond Belief" event at Fort Bragg was not granted the same venue or the same level of financial support.
Full story...
I think that the "Rock Beyond Belief" show should get the same amount of support as the Billy Graham sponsored show did.
I am not sure I even like the fact that a religious group got any help at all as far as govt money goes. Base security...OK

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
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Message 79 of 136 (633724)
09-15-2011 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by fearandloathing
09-15-2011 6:43 PM


Re: Fort Bragg Concert
I think that the "Rock Beyond Belief" show should get the same amount of support as the Billy Graham sponsored show did.
I'm not so sure. If these things are to get support (and I don't think they should, but if) then surely it should be funded proportionally to the numbers of servicemen being served by the event.

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fearandloathing
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Message 80 of 136 (633832)
09-16-2011 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Dr Adequate
09-15-2011 8:46 PM


Re: Fort Bragg Concert
I'm not so sure. If these things are to get support (and I don't think they should, but if) then surely it should be funded proportionally to the numbers of servicemen being served by the event.
Personally I have to agree with you on the point of none of these shows should get support other than security, if it is on base, and venue, once again if it is on base.
As far as proportionally funding I feel that both shows serve all service men. It is up to them whether they participate or not. I would have probably went to both shows just to see some music, or be entertained with the "other sides" opinions and views.
In a way it only goes to show how our government wastes money. 80,000 dollars for a concert, give me a break. We have troops in the field who would spend that money on upgraded armor for their hummers if given the choice.
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Message 81 of 136 (633833)
09-16-2011 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by fearandloathing
09-16-2011 5:16 PM


Re: Fort Bragg Concert
When I was a GI, these shows were often not voluntary--some general officer was usually involved, and by god there would be attendance. Usually there was a mix of carrot and stick--refuse to attend, and draw unpleasant duty; attend, and get the day off.
Today there are complaints in military academies and units of pressure to attend religious services and "events."
The evangelical right is strongly entrenched in our officer corps.

"The brakes are good, the tires are fair."

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fearandloathing
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Message 82 of 136 (633836)
09-16-2011 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Omnivorous
09-16-2011 5:24 PM


Re: Fort Bragg Concert
It seems you are right. I posted a few things about this type of practice. Well not exactly the same.
Message 2
Message 13
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Omnivorous
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Message 83 of 136 (633841)
09-16-2011 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by fearandloathing
09-16-2011 5:52 PM


Re: Fort Bragg Concert
Thanks, fearandloathing...can I call you fear?
When I decided to stop lurking, I briefly considered reading in full each thread I joined, but there's just too much.
The posts you linked are interesting, though, and I'll read through the rest of this thread. Those religious military practices sound all too familiar--worse than during my long-ago service, but in the same vein.

"The brakes are good, the tires are fair."

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fearandloathing
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Message 84 of 136 (633843)
09-16-2011 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Omnivorous
09-16-2011 6:27 PM


Re: Fort Bragg Concert
can I call you fear
You can call me anything, LOL, no worries, Fear suits me fine. Or FnL... either way I understand.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
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Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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fearandloathing
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Message 85 of 136 (634316)
09-20-2011 5:12 PM


Gay Ban LIfted
This may be a little off topic...
WASHINGTON Defense Secretary Leon Panetta says repealing the ban on openly gay service makes this an historic day for the military and the nation.
Panetta says he is committed to removing all the barriers that prevent Americans from serving their country and rising to the highest level of responsibility they can achieve. He says the Pentagon will continue to look at other opportunities, including the role of women in combat.
Read more...
I can't say for certain, but I have always felt the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy was religiously motivated. Most people I have discussed anti-gay law/policies seem to fall back on religion as the reason it, homosexuality, is wrong and shouldn't be tolerated.
It should be interesting to see what kinds of problems our military will have to deal with in this transitional period.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
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Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Message 86 of 136 (634317)
09-20-2011 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by fearandloathing
09-20-2011 5:12 PM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
It should be interesting to see what kinds of problems our military will have to deal with in this transitional period.
What makes you think there will be ANY problems? The only areas where there could possibly be any problems are in infantry type units with idiot jarhead/grunts who are already ignorant, so it's unlikely a gay infantryman will come out anyways. not for fear of legal repurcussion, but for fear of being shot in the back or getting a sock party in his honor.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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fearandloathing
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Message 87 of 136 (634318)
09-20-2011 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by hooah212002
09-20-2011 5:21 PM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
You just named the main problem I foresee. I hope I am wrong.
I also wonder about gay marriage and spousal benefits. If a service man/woman is legally married in one of the states that allow it, then how will our military deal with this? I have no idea to be honest, just a thought...
AbE...Moot point.
After doing a little looking it seems my last question is a non question.
The Defense of Marriage Act (Pub.L. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419, enacted September 21, 1996, 1 U.S.C. 7 and 28 U.S.C. 1738C) is a United States federal law signed into law by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996 whereby the federal government defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman.
Read more...
SAD.
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"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
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Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Message 88 of 136 (634322)
09-20-2011 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by fearandloathing
09-20-2011 5:38 PM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
The good news about the DOMA is that it is being challenged in the courts, and the Obama administration has declined to defend it.
I served with many excellent gay soldiers. I'm happy such fine men and women will no longer have to hide.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 89 of 136 (634324)
09-20-2011 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by fearandloathing
09-20-2011 5:38 PM


Defense of Marriage Act next?
Hi fearandloathing,
After doing a little looking it seems ny last question is a non question.
Progressives are pushing for repeal of this as well. It's just a matter of time, imho.
Enjoy.

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hooah212002
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Message 90 of 136 (634326)
09-20-2011 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by fearandloathing
09-20-2011 5:38 PM


Re: Gay Ban LIfted
You just named the main problem I foresee. I hope I am wrong.
But DADT did nothing for these guys as far as hiding in the ranks. It's just that now they can come out and not be legally penalized for it. However, they can still get fucked with by fellow ignorant soldiers. Think about it: in states where gay marriage was "legalized", did it stop hillbillies from gay bashing?
Edited by hooah212002, : DODT changed to DADT

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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