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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: No. I'm saying that the population will increase no matter what we do - even if we use the china syndrome of limiting offspring to whoever wins lotto. And we cannot even do that with the other life forms. We are looking 2-300 years ahead; add a zero and we see what the right path is: we won't be able to turn our noses. Its the only way to save this planet - and humanity from becoming self centred zombies. This says the worse the climate the better; the greater the population increase - even better. This and no other factor will propel humanity in the right direction: a dome city on the moon in 50 years; five bases on Mars. GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY AND HAVE DOMINION OF ALL THE WORLDS.Its not a choice factor and how freeky this situation was anticipated by Genesis! Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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sfs Member (Idle past 2555 days) Posts: 464 From: Cambridge, MA USA Joined:
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quote:(From The Napoleon of Notting Hill, G.K. Chesterton)
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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No. I'm saying that the population will increase no matter what we do - even if we use the china syndrome of limiting offspring to whoever wins lotto If population control is off the table, then humanity is doomed. We are never, ever getting out of this solar system, and there simply aren't all that many new places around the sun that can support human life in a self-sustaining way. Once humanity fills up this planet, if there is no decrease in population growth, the remaining possibilities for humans will get filled in very short order. Mars and the moon are awful tiny. My guess is that humans won't get any further away from earth than Mars. Further, humans don't seem to tolerate each other very well when it comes to sharing scarce resources. I don't believe any amount of education will change that. So if the population does keep growing, famine and war are also inevitable. But I don't believe continually population growth is even possible. We are going to continue screw up our ecological system, encounter new diseases, and fight wars, use up rare materials on which civilization depends, so that if we don't control it ourselves, population will come down. If we are lucky, what's left of earth will be able to sustain intelligent life and we won't enter a 1000 year dark age.
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Aware Wolf Member (Idle past 1441 days) Posts: 156 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined: |
We are never, ever getting out of this solar system, and there simply aren't all that many new places around the sun that can support human life in a self-sustaining way.
I agree with the first part of this statement, but what about building our own places to live; like giant space stations? We couldn't do that today, of course, but 300 years from now, who knows?
Further, humans don't seem to tolerate each other very well when it comes to sharing scarce resources. Just a quibble, but from what I've been reading, we seem to do better at sharing when resources are scarce than when there is an over abundance. Admittedly, I'm talking about smaller groups of individuals. I'm not sure if that applies to whole nations.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I agree with the first part of this statement, but what about building our own places to live; like giant space stations? We couldn't do that today, of course, but 300 years from now, who knows? From all indications, pretty soon humans are going to be incapable of even returning to the ISS, let alone building self sustaining space stations of any size. I don't believe that giant space stations have even the slightest chance of helping us to sustain indefinite, be fruitful and multiply, population growth. That was fine advice for Adam and Abraham, but it is self-destructive behavior for us.
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4443 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
Moose,
This idea that we can continue to destroy the planet because in the future we can just go elsewhere is pretty common. It is most common coming from preople who have absolutely no idea how far away we are from having the technology to do this. and dont call me Shirley.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Humanity is doomed if we restrict population; only its reverse can save.
quote: Famous last words. By your view, humanity is toast both ways: you cannot control the population - eventually it will catch up with you. Its not a choice factor. The other thing which will save humanity is if the climate stinks.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Once upon a time, the Babylonion empire never knew there was another one called the Egyptian empire. One day, the out of Africa will be replaced by the out of earth story. All evolutionists will agree - survival of the fittest does not stop on earth: we have to prove this by going to other harsh environments and conquering it. Its not a choice factor. Genesis is correct.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 823 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Ya know Joe, it's too bad Mabus got locked up. You two would have gotten along really well.
"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square |
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I suggest making me Supreme President of the World.
OK, it's a short-term solution, but at least it would be a good start.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1525 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
The best solution for humanity, I would think would be to live within our means. Be responsible in our stewardship of the Earth.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
By your view, humanity is toast both ways: No. That appears to be your view. I've merely indicated that expansion to new lands isn't a viable solution. You are the one that seems to think we have to keep multiplying without restraint.
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Butterflytyrant Member (Idle past 4443 days) Posts: 415 From: Australia Joined: |
If there was a few tests involved before someone was allowed to go for this position, it might be a good idea.
we would need to have - a complex reasoning test - you would passa sense of humour test - you would pass a test of general intelligence test - you would pass a test to see if the new ruler would be able to change policy when new or improved information comes in - you would pass How many current world leaders would pass these tests? What would some of your first world changes be? (that last question was actually a serious question)
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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 370 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
Here is a question for any math heads.
I seem to recall from somewhere, that if humanity were to continue it’s exponential growth and we were able to colonize the universe, then we will have filled the whole shebang in something like 3,000 yrs. Assume 1 earth like planet for every 1000 (?) suns. Is this true? I only ask because I figure if we can determine the mass of the universe then this should be a napkin calculation. What is the greatest threat that humanity faces? Is it population or a virus or climate change or an asteroid or what?
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2127 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Good questions. Here is a non-math response.
Exponential growth would have us filling the universe in just a few thousand years. But the same growth rate would have bacteria taking over the entire earth in weeks or months and the universe not long after. Neither is going to happen because you just can't sustain that growth rate. Also, getting to the rest of the universe is somewhat of a problem at the moment. I don't see us colonizing adjacent stars any time soon. The greatest threat I see at the moment is fundamentalism. We need to get off this rock and any resources spent fighting amongst ourselves are just wasted. All fundamentalism, but particularly Muslim fundamentalism, is diametrically opposed to scientific advance and the development of cultures that can expand into space. Rationality is the best solution for humanity, but too often folks who are entirely rational in all other aspects of their lives fall prey to the most irrational forms of woo and defend that woo at all costs. I suggest that we need to get over that, and as soon as possible.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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