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Panda
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Message 286 of 1049 (634777)
09-23-2011 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by RAZD
09-23-2011 7:36 PM


Re: Does "stalking" accomplish anything related to the topics?
RAZD writes:
For some time now I have been "stalked" by straggler and some others. Straggler is the worst offender, however he is not alone.
Who are these 'others' and can you link examples of them stalking you?

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Message 287 of 1049 (634804)
09-24-2011 5:59 AM
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09-23-2011 9:41 PM


Re: Does "stalking" accomplish anything related to the topics?
Panda writes:
can you link examples of them stalking you?
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Message 288 of 1049 (634861)
09-24-2011 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by Chuck77
09-24-2011 5:59 AM


Re: Does "stalking" accomplish anything related to the topics?
I guessmaybe you need to look up the word "stalk'. I don't think you understand the meaning.

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Chuck77
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Message 289 of 1049 (634949)
09-25-2011 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by Theodoric
09-24-2011 12:44 PM


Re: Does "stalking" accomplish anything related to the topics?
See below
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

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Chuck77
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Message 290 of 1049 (634950)
09-25-2011 1:49 AM
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09-24-2011 12:44 PM


Re: Does "stalking" accomplish anything related to the topics?
Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 291 of 1049 (634963)
09-25-2011 5:15 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by RAZD
09-23-2011 7:36 PM


Re: Does "stalking" accomplish anything related to the topics?
I guess I would say that actually trying to get a straight answer out of someone is at least as productive and respectful as replying to direct questions with a series of ever-changing but nicely formatted charts, and tables.
I would also like to take this opportunity to point out your own relentless proclivity to mischaracterise the arguments of others by translating what is said to you into pure IF THEN type deductive logical arguments.
This is particularly inappropriate and arguably dishonest when your opponents have explicitly stated that they are NOT relying on such deductions (e.g. when they are applying inductive reasoning).
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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RAZD
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Message 292 of 1049 (634984)
09-25-2011 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by Straggler
09-25-2011 5:15 AM


Re: Does "stalking" accomplish anything related to the topics?
Hi Straggles
I guess I would say that actually trying to get a straight answer out of someone is ...
Even when you inject it into a new thread where it is unrelated to the topic? When you are more concerned with nailing someone than discussing the topic?
You don't just try to get a straight answer on a thread where it is the topic, you take it to extremes, posting it in unrelated threads and making disparaging comments. That is where the stalking comes in.
You can't keep to a topic because you are more interested in attacking people than the issues.
... trying to get a straight answer out of someone is at least as productive and respectful ...
And when you mock someone in the process you are not really asking them for help are you? Certainly you don't think mockery is respectful approach to getting an answer do you?
So you don't really want an answer with that kind of approach, you want to discredit them.
You do realize that your approach invites disrespect in return don't you?
... and respectful as replying to direct questions with a series of ever-changing but nicely formatted charts, and tables.
Thus, as predicted, even when you get an answer to your question you mock it. Of course YOUR position is always consistent and never-changing ...
Because you don't really want an answer with that kind of approach, you want to discredit them.
I would also like to take this opportunity to point out your own relentless proclivity to mischaracterise the arguments of others by translating what is said to you into pure IF THEN type deductive logical arguments.
That address the issue on the topic
But it's okay if you do it?
This is particularly inappropriate and arguably dishonest when your opponents have explicitly stated that they are NOT relying on such deductions (e.g. when they are applying inductive reasoning).
But it does address\discuss the issues rather than mock the person.
Inductive reasoning is your latest gambit to sound technical and scientific. Mix it in with a bunch of jumbled together scientific sounding words like "objectively detectable" and you can impress some people.
Inductive reasoning is guessing. Inductive reasoning gets you as far as an hypothesis in science, so if ALL you are using is inductive reasoning then all you are doing is posing hypothetical questions. If you claim to have a theory then you necessarily need to have moved from inductive guessing of the hypothesis to deduction and testing -- a theory is a tested hypothesis.
So do you want a venting session or do you want to get in a piss and dis fight with people or do you want to discuss topics .... you need to make up your mind Straggles.
Enjoy.
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AdminPD
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Message 293 of 1049 (634998)
09-25-2011 1:21 PM


!! Whine About Moderaton Procedures Only !!
This thread is for whining about moderation procedures only, not each other.
Please adjust accordingly.
Thanks
AdminPD

  
Buzsaw
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Message 294 of 1049 (635033)
09-26-2011 12:10 AM


I'm asking for reconsideration of the banning of my science and PNT privileges. Where evidence is required I supply it. The problem is that I delve into the real creationist kind of events that nobody else will tackle, that which involves the supernatural.
The type of evidence I cite is real physical evidence in the threads which I participate in. The fact is that there is not an evolutionist here who would admit to anything I cite as evidence, no matter how empirical it would be.
For that reason, I maintain that the people here should see what some of the different creationist arguments are, whether they agree or not.
A perfect example is the fulfilled prophecies. I've cited a number of fulfilled prophecies whether anyone admits to it or not that no one else touches. Prophecy is not taught in the seminaries to any extent. What I have to show, whether agreed to or not is interesting, not only to the membership, but to lurkers who've never even been apprised of them in most of the church pulpits.
There are flood arguments, the Exodus, evolution and other science topics which creationists like me who may have some unusual perspectives can contribute interesting input.
For example, a number of years ago I did establish that if the sun were created relatively suddenly it would have had to appear beyond the protostar stage, having the appearance of age.
Another is the unique manner in which I debunk the YEC myth Biblically.
I believe I could contribute some reasonable canopy atmosphere arguments, were I given the opportunity to delve further into that hypothesis.
Buzsaw

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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crashfrog
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Message 295 of 1049 (635034)
09-26-2011 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Buzsaw
09-26-2011 12:10 AM


The type of evidence I cite is real physical evidence in the threads which I participate in. The fact is that there is not an evolutionist here who would admit to anything I cite as evidence, no matter how empirical it would be.
Complaining that people won't accept your evidence isn't at all the same thing as actually citing it.

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PaulK
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Message 296 of 1049 (635037)
09-26-2011 1:32 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by Buzsaw
09-26-2011 12:10 AM


This is not a discussion topic but I will just comment that if you want the restrictions to be lifted it is a good idea to indicate that you will not continue to engage in the same behaviour that got the restrictions imposed. Indicating that you WILL go on in the same way is a very bad idea. And that is exactly what you have done.
Until you make a good faith effort to understand WHY your "evidence" is being rejected I very much doubt that you will be let back into the Science forums.
As for the PNT forum, twice in a row you scrapped a topic rather than construct a decent proposal, wasting moderator time. I suspect that you won't get that privilege back either until the moderator team see signs of good faith from you. Displays of bad faith, like the above message are not going to help your case.

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Buzsaw
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Message 297 of 1049 (635080)
09-26-2011 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 296 by PaulK
09-26-2011 1:32 AM


Goose and Gander Unbalance Again
PaulK writes:
As for the PNT forum, twice in a row you scrapped a topic rather than construct a decent proposal, wasting moderator time. I suspect that you won't get that privilege back either until the moderator team see signs of good faith from you. Displays of bad faith, like the above message are not going to help your case.
I scrapped because Admin demands empirical evidence from me. None other need apply, whereas evolutionists and BBists are permitted to debate theoretical non-physically visible notions such as the singularity and multi-verses.
There's a thread going now in the science forum about studying the supernatural. I can't participate. The evolutionists there are arguing that the supernatural can't be physically observed. Well, la-de-da, neither can multi-verse theory.
More physical evidence by me has been cited, supportive to the supernatural than Cavediver, et al has cited (none) for the multi-verse science fiction myth. Your side can tout your non-evidenced theories til the cows come home.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Changed wording for clarification.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 298 of 1049 (635100)
09-26-2011 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by Buzsaw
09-26-2011 11:42 AM


Buz whines again
It's very simple Buz. You were banned from the science forums because you were unable to understand why your evidence was rejected. And so long as your idea of discussing it is to slander all the people who showed that your evidence wasn't any good you are not going to be let back in.
If you actually bother to look back at your scrapped PNT's you will see that your real problem was that all you wrote was a long-winded intro that hardly touched on the actual topic. And you aren't going to get your privileges back in PNT until Percy is convinced you'll make a good faith effort to change that too.

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Buzsaw
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Message 299 of 1049 (635111)
09-26-2011 8:06 PM
Reply to: Message 298 by PaulK
09-26-2011 4:57 PM


Re: Buz shines again.
PaulK writes:
........all the people who showed that your evidence wasn't any good..........
Nobody could show that my evidence was no good because it could not be debated. Your all the people was not all of the people. It was a few of you more vindictive secularistic non-creationist people who think evidence of stuff like multi-verses (none) is really, really good, to be touted while researched physical evidence at Aqaba, along with corroborating land evidence is not even supportive evidence.
Tell me, PaulK. Be honest. Which evidence is more physical, falsifyable and observable, the Exodus or Multi-Verse theory?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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hooah212002
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Message 300 of 1049 (635113)
09-26-2011 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by Buzsaw
09-26-2011 8:06 PM


Re: Buz shines again.
If your evidence was so good, or even real, you wouldn't need to build up strawman arguments about subjects you know nothing about (anything related to cosmology) that have rarely, if ever, been debated at length at EvC. You arguments should stand on there own, not rely on what you hope to be a failing of another branch of science.
This is precisly why you are banned from the sub-forums that you are.... not to mention that you don't even realize it even though every single member tells you the exact same thing.

"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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