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fearandloathing
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Message 121 of 301 (634894)
09-24-2011 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Coyote
09-24-2011 3:30 PM


Re: Food For Thought
I stand corrected, I forgot they lost a cargo mission that uses the same booster for manned flight.
AbE... I don't think their other loss was the same booster they use for manned flight...I could be wrong.
Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
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Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Message 122 of 301 (634895)
09-24-2011 3:50 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by IamJoseph
09-24-2011 9:04 AM


Re: Tried And Failed
IAJ writes:
A law must be seen as a sacred and magestic thing by all humans, regardless of their beliefs, and must stand on its own - without theology. Don't you think so?
Joseph, you're somewhere out in la-la land, to even consider, humanistically, the possibility of such a law being enacted, seen as sacred by all humans, regardless of their beliefs.
Even the prophesied Biblical messiah won't have a global imposed set of laws where all humans on it espouse them. As prophesied, it will be necessary for him to rule with a rod of iron so as to enforce a global government which will cause the nations, by and large, to be blessed.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Message 123 of 301 (634896)
09-24-2011 3:53 PM
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09-24-2011 3:50 PM


Re: Tried And Failed
No sacred law should ever be considered much less enacted.
Hopefully the petty tyrant that you worship will be as hopeless as He has been throughout history.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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fearandloathing
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Message 124 of 301 (634897)
09-24-2011 3:53 PM
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09-24-2011 3:30 PM


Re: Food For Thought
I was right after all...
However, the first Chinese crewed flight program only began in earnest several decades later, when a crash program of technological development culminated in Yang Liwei's successful 2003 flight aboard Shenzhou 5. This achievement made China the third country to independently send humans into space.
China could still put men in orbit.

"No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride...and if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind, well...maybe chalk it off to forced conscious expansion: Tune in, freak out, get beaten."
Hunter S. Thompson
Ad astra per aspera
Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.

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Message 125 of 301 (634901)
09-24-2011 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by frako
09-24-2011 6:14 AM


Solution Emerging
frako writes:
Yes so we need to lower our population first if we WANT TO GET OF THIS ROCK because it WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE IF EVERYONE IS STARVING!!!!
If I weren't banned from proposing new topics I would do one on the solution to this problem. Since it relates to the thread title, including humanity's solution, I'll submit a summary of it.
The solution is rapidly emerging.
As the prophet Isaiah predicted, few men will be left upon earth due to pestilence, wars, earthquakes, and all kinds of catastrophic events, culminating at Armageddon. The messianic kingdom will soon become a reality.
Weather change, including global warming will, relatively soon, evaporate much of the present oceans, dry up the rivers, lower the mountains and raise the ocean floors, reversing the effects of the global flood and restoring a similar global cloud canopy, somewhat as it was before the flood.
This will reclaim most of the oceans to productive land, rife with lush vegetation so as to provide sustenance for many times that of our present population.
No, I'm not pipe dreaming. It is happening! Biblically prophesied weather change is beginning to happen. Hold on to your hats and batten down the hatches. Many who are alive today will be caught up in the advanced stages of it.
This is not another weather cycle. This is beyond the point of return!

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Message 126 of 301 (634904)
09-24-2011 5:17 PM
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09-24-2011 4:30 PM


Re: Solution Emerging
Science does not understand how your idea should work and we still get to live and not get boiled or flattened by pressure.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
Jesus was a dead jew on a stick nothing more

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Message 127 of 301 (634918)
09-24-2011 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by IamJoseph
09-24-2011 2:42 PM


IamJoseph,
my comment - 1. You cant extend the size of the Earth (house)
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your reply - Congrats! That is why there is no alternative to extending beyond the earth's horizon. Its not a choice factor.
Wrong. There are choices. One choice is living sustainably. The other alternative is to live in the physical space we currently have. This is the alternative that is currently being acted upon. This is actual reality. You are familiar with reality aren't you. In actual, real reality, in the real world, there is an alternative to your idea. It is currently occuring. By saying there is no alternative, you are denying something that is actually occuring in reality. You are denying something you can see and feel with your own hands. Are you so distanced from reality that you are able to reject it?
Humanity can be saved by acquiring other space bodies - or become historical dust.
Wrong. The other alternative is sustainable development.
No out of Africa in your future? You are embracing non-negotiable demise of humanity and all other life forms; killing 90% of life will not solve the problem - it will only delay the period of destruction a trifle. There is no alternative solution here.
You really do have a problem with reality dont you. It is entirely possible, nearly guaranteed even that humans will colonise other worlds. But this expansion is a long way off. It is not a solution to the current world problems. The only way we will survive for long enough to colonise other worlds is to accept sustainable pactices on Earth. Mulitplying as you suggest guarantees the demise of humanity. Maybe not total extinction, but probably pretty close. There is an alternative. It is called sustainable development.
in reference to Israel accepting and supporting sustainable development practice you said - They are totally senseless for the future. Better that you make credible math and give some figures estimating human populations in 500 years and 5000 years, factoring all measures to like to include.
Population estimates for 500 and 5000 years into the future? Do you think that these statistics actually exist? Are you just looking at the current population and popluation growth then multiplying it out?
Are you taking the fact that global population growth is actually going down into your calculations? Are you taking into account the fact that the vast majority of population growth is occuring in developing nations? With the increase in education levels there, there is no reason to assume that their population growth will run parralel to the rest of the world. This is a known phenomenon. Population demographics follow patterns. Once education of women, equality of women, health care and birth control become common, populations stabilise. It happens everywhere.
Population statistics for even the next 50 years vary greatly. No demographer anywhere would attempt to predict human population 5000 years into the future. It would be worthless.
Even a prediction for 500 years into the future would be subject to huge amounts of error. What is your estimate for the Earth population in 500 years? When you are making this estimate, make sure you factor in the following -
1. future fertility rates
2. future population age stuctures
3. future child and adult mortality rates
4. global socioeconomic trends
5. changes in population growth
6. new medical discoveries
7. disasters including asteroid impacts, ultra resistent diseases and viruses, wars
8. Malthusian catastrophy theory
9. increases in education and womens rights.
Also keep in mind that around 15% of the nations of the world do not have population statistics. This will have a huge effect on population numbers over 500 years. You will need to find this data. This will be hard as it does not exist.
Till then, Genesis is not stupidity. Further, the equivalence is ineffective - no other scripture than Genesis discusses topics such as is being debated in this thread.
You have still not illustrated that Genesis actually discusses God commanding humans to mulitply beyond the Earths carrying capacity and colonising other planets. Who cares what scripture says anyway. There is an enourmous volume of literature on this subject. Literature written by professional demographers and scientists. And it all disagrees with your personal interpretation of Genesis. I think it would be more prudent to listen to actual professionals rather than you. At the moment, we have the entire professional communities analysis of the reality of the situation verses IamJosephs personal interpretation of scripture
combines with his hope of the development of currently non existent (and some likely impossible) technology.
The math says even if yhumanuty has all the sustainence and population control it can muster - it will still self destruct without habitations outside the earth. This is the fundamental issue in the default setting, yet outside your radar completely
This is quite simply wrong. Again, sustainence is not a word. Try using real words if you want your point to get across. With effective sustainable development practice, it is possible to avoid self destruction. I am sorry if I only keep reality on my radar. I know you have a big problem with reality that you cant seem to get over. You are just plain wrong. For you, reality is outside of your radar.
in regards to my comment advising that you are ignoring the human requirement for food you replied - I am not ignoring them at all. I am saying these are secondary from the POV it will not save humanity. One can keep pouring food into a house and keep shrinking that house and increasing the occupants also - eventual destruction still becomes inevitable
The food and water that you suggest can be poured into the house, where do you think it will come from? Also, we dont need to keep increasing the population size. Destruction is not inevitable.
I asked you to verify where in Genesis it shows God commanding humans to colonise other planets. You have replied with -
It is not my message but a blatant fact of geo-history. You are disregarding this fact.
Geo history? Does this mean geological history? Geographic history? WTF are you talking about? What fact are you talking about? How can I disregard a 'fact' that you have not yet presented let alone supported.
It is true that Genesis advocates humans to have dominion of the earth and all life forms.
Does this mean that you admit that Genesis does not show God commanding humans to colonise other planets? You go on to discuss terms and Genesis again but do not provide any scripture. Provide the chapoter and verse you are interpreting.
This is the future of humanity; its rejection is a destruction of humanity.
No it isnt.
We have already begun conquering sectors outside earth, such as the moon and via space stations.
If by conquering you mean visiting briefly then you are correct. We have briefly visited these places. We have visited them for long enough to be very aware of how far we are away from conquering them.
when I advised you that your 'plan' would lead to near total destruction of humanity you replied- You may call it destruction, but this is poor maths.
Where is the error in my maths? 7 billion people, minus 6.5 to 7 billion people equals between 0 and .5 billion people. This is a disaster. Point out where the maths problem is there. Particularly in light of the fact that most of the people would die of starvation or dehydration. Thats pretty miserable.
I have given my solution - we must acquire habitations outside of the earth eventually. Technological advancement is assured - check some history. Its absence is destruction - no matter how much sustainence is on the table.
Wrong again. Humans cannot colonise other planets fast enough to deal with current population growth let alone and increase. The only way we will ever survive for long enough to colonise other planets is by accepting and implemeting sustainable devlopment practise. Not colonising other planets will not result in destrcuction. Again, sustainence is not a word. Try using real words. With sustainable development, humanity would be able to live on Earth indefinitely. Until our suns explodes anyway.
The issue of all the last debates centred around one issue: does humanity have to seek and acquire new habitations outside earth eventually - or perish?
A; Absolutely.
The rest is irrelevant.
This is wrong. You are wrong. Did you even read the sustainable development information I supplied you with? Why do you bother asking questions if you do not want to know the answers? Why start a thread asking to be educated if you have no desire to actually be educated?

I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson

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Message 128 of 301 (634925)
09-24-2011 9:04 PM
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09-24-2011 8:16 PM


my comment - 1. You cant extend the size of the Earth (house)
As Mark Twain (very bad stockmarket player in the name of Samuel Clemens) once said: Buy land - they aren't making anymore of that.
Troubles about maths.
Troubles about population growth.
Population grows exponentially.
Colonization of outer space can only increase geometrically in 3-d space.
No matter how, we still lose eventually. Math is inexorable here.
*Something ELSE has to happen"
and that something is the lowering of the potential standard of all of us living free.
BTW, if you want to visit those distant galaxies? - the time is NOW. They are moving away from you even as I type.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 129 of 301 (634926)
09-24-2011 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by IamJoseph
09-24-2011 10:22 AM


Re: Sustainable development
IamJoseph,
I chose to deal with this paragraph in a post all on its own.
Look at it another way. There is no over population, there is only a shortage of land to park. If in 150 years we have a dome city base on the moon, 10 million humans can relieve earth's population and guarantee human survival; in 500 years 50 billion humans will do the same, and dome cities will prevail on Mars - the atmosphear being un-habitable will be reversed with controlled environments. Humanity was and is now born in water - environments are adaptable and controllable. This future is not a multi-choice item.
I dont think you really understand what you are saying. You think you are putting forward a valid solution. You need to provide some more information to back up your claim. Lets just look at a one of your claims - "If in 150 years we have a dome city base on the moon, 10 million humans can relieve earth's population and guarantee human surviva".
So a dome city on the moon with 10 million people in it in 150 years. Do you have any idea of the volume of resources that 10 million people consume? Where are you going to get these resources from? Very few of the required resources are on the moon. You would need to transport them from Earth to the moon. So you would be taking resources for 10 million people from the Earth and taking it to the moon. This will supply exactly zero net gain for humanity. You will have actually taken humanity backwards as a huge amount of resources would be required to contruct a city for 10 million people on the moon and transport it all to the moon.
There are some things I would like your opinion on.
1. What about gravity? Space stations and the moon do not have the same gravity. How are you planning on resolving this issue.
2. Solar radiation. Outside Earths atmosphere, the solar radiation is lethal in a very short period of time. How do you plan on resolving this issue?
3. Thus far there have been no successful trials of closed system dome cities. (more info below)
4. what volume of raw materials do you think will be needed to construct a city for 10 million people? Where do you think we will be getting this raw material from?
5. How do you think we will be getting 10 million people to the moon.
6. Who on Earth and where on Earth will the resources to support a population of 10 million people? These resources include clean water, clean air with the correct composition, all of the nutrients and elements required to grow plants to eat and to create O2. Those are just some of the basic chemical requirements. You will need to take these things away from people, to give them to other people.
7. The atmosphere inside a dome is much more fragile than the atmosphere on Earth. Considering this fact, how do you plan on dealing with standard gaseous wastes created by a population of 10 million people.
the surface area of the moon is 37.9 million square kilometres. The Biosphere projects (Biosphere 2 - Wikipedia), currently the most comprehensive dome project in the world (others include MeliSSa -MELiSSA - Wikipedia and BIOS-3 BIOS-3 - Wikipedia) have a dome where they have been performing experiments. The area of this dome is 12 700 metres. 12 700 metres required to keep 8 people alive. Using this information, the moon would be able to support 2984 people. The biosphere tests all failed. O2 and CO2 levels fluctuated wildly. There was extinctions and misshaps all over the place. And this was an extremely tightly controlled environment with 8 dedicated scientists in it. Imagine putting 10 million random people in a dome city.
If you believe that your position is any sort of solution, you would have considered these problems and have some idea of a solution to them. Keep in mind that your solutions will have to be better than the currently accepted solution that is currently in practise. So not only does your solution need to be proven feasible, but it needs to be proven to be more effective than the current model that is in practise.

I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson

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Butterflytyrant
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Message 130 of 301 (634927)
09-24-2011 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by xongsmith
09-24-2011 9:04 PM


Hello Xongsmith,
No matter how, we still lose eventually. Math is inexorable here.
*Something ELSE has to happen"
and that something is the lowering of the potential standard of all of us living free.
Not necessarily. The average standard of living in the world will go up. There will be people whose standard of living goes down. But it will be an extremely small percentage of the worlds population.
The questions I always ask people who are worried that their standard of living will go down are : Do you believe that you have the right to use the amount of resources you use to the detriment of other people? Do you have the right to take more than is your fair share? Why do you think you have this right? What do you contribute to the species that makes you think you deserve more than someone else?
The answers people give often surprise me.
BTW, if you want to visit those distant galaxies? - the time is NOW. They are moving away from you even as I type.
I want to visit those galaxies. I would love it. This does not make it possible. The time may be now, but it is still impossible now. My desires do not change reality unfortunately.

I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson

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Message 131 of 301 (634930)
09-24-2011 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by frako
09-24-2011 5:17 PM


Re: Solution Emerging
frako writes:
Science does not understand how your idea should work and we still get to live and not get boiled or flattened by pressure.
There are debatable aspects regarding this hypothesis. Your science graph does not factor in all that will pre-empt such an event.
Perhaps Moose and I will get into this eventually in our great debate.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Message 132 of 301 (634931)
09-24-2011 10:06 PM
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09-24-2011 2:36 PM


Re: Food For Thought
quote:
With one dollar you'll have 2.147.483.648 dollars, which is still nowhere near 11 billion.
Yes, 2B from $1 in a month is a surprising result and not first expected, yet this is a slow accleration relative to the compounded expansion in all areas of the universe.

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Message 133 of 301 (634933)
09-24-2011 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Butterflytyrant
09-24-2011 9:37 PM


Re: Sustainable development
quote:
So a dome city on the moon with 10 million people in it in 150 years. Do you have any idea of the volume of resources that 10 million people consume? Where are you going to get these resources from?
You are focusing on the incidental instead of the fundamental factor here. Firstly, when a new discovery occurs, it is surrounded by millions of aligning new connective discoveries. Electricity is one example - it produced millions of new products in far less than 50 years. If humanity becomes impressed with a new discovery, and the 50 year period starts from that point - humanity's role in the universe can change dramatically. Travel to any of the far planets can become akin to Newark to Sydney, housing can be erected using chemicals found in strange planetary environments and a rush will result for an unstoppable exodus to Jupiter. This is the vision incumbent on humanity and it will be enforced upon us situationally. The future is always beyond our mind's wiring, else it is not futuristic. This occured in the Industrail revolution.
It does not matter if this occurs in 25, 50 or 200 years - the point is it will and must happen, and there is no one else out there but humans who will have dominion of the universe. We are it - to the extent it is a greater shock to realize there is no one else out there - than meeting aliens. We are it and we are a lone entity in this regard. The earth is only the womb of the universe and we are still in an embryotic stage just popping our head out. Whatever do you think it means when one Abraham was told to look now at the stars and if you can count them - thy seed shall be greater? Whether it was writen of man's imagination or not, it is a most profound thought not seen elsewhere and with far reaching consequences - it did change humanity and the universe.
quote:
There are some things I would like your opinion on.
1. What about gravity? Space stations and the moon do not have the same gravity. How are you planning on resolving this issue.
Easy as pie: hi-tech shoes will control our gravity and body temperatures.
quote:
2. Solar radiation. Outside Earths atmosphere, the solar radiation is lethal in a very short period of time. How do you plan on resolving this issue?
Look at this as with an incurable desease - a simple antibiotic fixed it via virus control. Similarly, we will learn how to control quarks as we did virus. There is no choice to humanity controlling the atmosphere it lives in - even on this planet. We cannot survive on earth much longer unless we can control and program weather patterns, earthquakes and typhoons.
quote:
3. Thus far there have been no successful trials of closed system dome cities. (more info below)
It is clear we were thinking correctly here and with far reaching consequences of the future. It is akin to a house we live built in jungles of wild animals.
quote:
4. what volume of raw materials do you think will be needed to construct a city for 10 million people? Where do you think we will be getting this raw material from?
It will give work to millions and this will be hi-tech with hitherto unimagined processes. These are miniscule bumps resolved with new technology targeting survival. I believe knowledge is involuntary - we do not know how it descends into human minds but we know it comes only in its due time. Pinicilin, Nukes and viagra were discovered by accident; the eureka chant confirms this sudden phenomena, aka a light bulb suddenly lighting up in the brain: a new idea uses the least amount of energy input with the greatest consequences.
quote:
5. How do you think we will be getting 10 million people to the moon.
I don't know how, but I know it will happen as surely as the sun rises.
quote:
6. Who on Earth and where on Earth will the resources to support a population of 10 million people? These resources include clean water, clean air with the correct composition, all of the nutrients and elements required to grow plants to eat and to create O2. Those are just some of the basic chemical requirements. You will need to take these things away from people, to give them to other people.
Oxygen is a new product on earth. H2O can be harnessed with other gas mixes - such discoveries can come upon us by accident or when we are ready for it. It is an error to think we only use 10% of our brains - we use all of it to the hilt by the sweat of our brows; if we are pushed harder our brains will breakdown, as seen in people having breakdowns or becoming insane. This is also why knowledge comes in its due time - an act of forebearence, consideration and mercy.
quote:
7. The atmosphere inside a dome is much more fragile than the atmosphere on Earth. Considering this fact, how do you plan on dealing with standard gaseous wastes created by a population of 10 million people.
Not so. It is more fastedious and dependable with no surprise factors. Its like a log fire compared to an electrically controlled heating device. Humans must control nature, not the other way around - else we are dead sooner rather than later. We controlled nature ever since agriculture and fire was discovered.
quote:
the surface area of the moon is 37.9 million square kilometres. The Biosphere projects (Biosphere 2 - Wikipedia), currently the most comprehensive dome project in the world (others include MeliSSa -MELiSSA - Wikipedia and BIOS-3 BIOS-3 - Wikipedia) have a dome where they have been performing experiments. The area of this dome is 12 700 metres. 12 700 metres required to keep 8 people alive. Using this information, the moon would be able to support 2984 people. The biosphere tests all failed. O2 and CO2 levels fluctuated wildly. There was extinctions and misshaps all over the place. And this was an extremely tightly controlled environment with 8 dedicated scientists in it. Imagine putting 10 million random people in a dome city.
We may live underground on the moon and mars - who can tell.
quote:
If you believe that your position is any sort of solution, you would have considered these problems and have some idea of a solution to them. Keep in mind that your solutions will have to be better than the currently accepted solution that is currently in practise. So not only does your solution need to be proven feasible, but it needs to be proven to be more effective than the current model that is in practise.
You are thinking analogue in a digital era. IMHO, the greatest discovery or thought of humanity is creationism and monotheism. This does NOT mean these are confirmed realities or provable by science - the thought factor of such a direction is its greaest merit. It made us think, more than its acceptance or rejection, to the extent even its rejection is a result of higher thinking and resultant from the first thought of such a paradigm, producing such sciences as evolution and atheism.
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Message 134 of 301 (634934)
09-24-2011 11:04 PM


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BTW, if you want to visit those distant galaxies? - the time is NOW. They are moving away from you even as I type.
Why not consider using the moving space itself to be a transporting vehicle? We know that space can bend and is thus manipulatable.
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IamJoseph
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Message 135 of 301 (634935)
09-24-2011 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by xongsmith
09-24-2011 9:04 PM


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As Mark Twain (very bad stockmarket player in the name of Samuel Clemens) once said: Buy land - they aren't making anymore of that.
That is also why we need lands outside earth - or we perish. We've been doing this since day #1.

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