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Author Topic:   What do the victims have to do with it?
caffeine
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Message 5 of 48 (636113)
10-04-2011 3:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
10-03-2011 6:39 PM


Doesn't it seem perfectly reasonable to take an interest in trials surrounding your child's murder? I understand their stake a lot better than everybody else in the world who seems to be captivated by the whole affair for no clear or apparent reason.

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Message 17 of 48 (636363)
10-06-2011 4:04 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Artemis Entreri
10-05-2011 8:51 PM


Re: Parla Italiano?
you:
Perch sono stati arrestati?
Polizia Italiano:
Perch, vi sono un americano
Of course. Of the thousands of Americans that live in Italy and the hundreds of thousands (millions?) that visit each year, one of them seems to have been wrongly convicted (along with an Italian). Clearly, Americans in Italy are facing a campaign of sustained persecution. And here we were, thinking all along that it was the gypsies and Africans who had the problem.

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caffeine
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Message 18 of 48 (636364)
10-06-2011 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by New Cat's Eye
10-05-2011 1:47 PM


Re: Hefty Cost of Freedon
I don't have the link handy, but a different news article I was reading yesterday quoted her saying that she hoped to visit Italy again in the future
Fuck that! I wouldn't if I was her...
See, I can't really understand this attitude. If you were wrongly convicted in the States, would you emigrate once you won your appeal?
I imagine Italy means more to her than simply 'the place where I went to jail'.

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Message 25 of 48 (636396)
10-06-2011 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Theodoric
10-06-2011 8:45 AM


You did say there was emerging research. Was that a lie?
No he didn't - crashfrog did.

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caffeine
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Message 26 of 48 (636408)
10-06-2011 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Chuck77
10-06-2011 5:46 AM


The feel of vengeance
There's a big problem with what you're saying though. "I feel like I want revenge, and I feel like I would feel better if I had it". But that's just your prediction about your future state. It doesn't mean you actually would feel better. You can be wrong about how something would make you feel.
So yes, we need research to tell us if our predictions about how we would expect to feel are true. I don't know what research crashfrog was referring to, but here's what I found after a (very brief and superficial) google.
The American Psychological Association's section on vengeance discusses a study from 2008 in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology (Vol. 95, No. 6). Two different groups were given a game to play, with one of the participants being a stooge. They all had to select how much money to invest, and then a profit would be shared out equally. If everyone invests equally, everyone gets the same, and everyone's a winner. However, if someone cheats and invests less, they still make just as much money, but piss everyone else off.
The stooge in each group convinced everyone to invest equally, but then when the time came to play went back on their word and cheated everyone else - pissing them off. Some groups were given the opportunity to get revenge, some weren't, then at the end they were quizzed on their moods.
Understandably, the revenge group said they felt better than if they hadn't been allowed to seek vengeance, whilst the no-revenge group said they would have felt better if they'd been allowed to take revenge.
However, if you compare the actual reports of how the two groups felt, the no-revenge group reported feeling better than the revenge group did.
I don't know if this experiment is representative, but this one at least suggests that we people are wrong about how they think vengeance will make them feel.
That's why we have science, Chuck. You can't just trust your intuition to be correct all the time.

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