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We shouldn't welcome illegal anybodies.

Then we should make it legal to come to the US, work here for a season, and then return to Mexico. It's easy to complain about "illegals", but isn't it a problem that there's no legal path for what they want to do? It makes absolutely zero sense to expect someone to spend 10 years and fifteen thousand dollars in order to come here and pick vegetables for six months.

To the extent that illegals are taking permanent residency, it's because we've made crossing the border such an enormous investment that when undocumented workers come here, they feel like they have to stay to make it worth it. If we made the border more porous for temporary workers, they would come, work, and then return to Mexico during the off season.That would seem to be the best case for everybody - best for them, because they can earn a US wage and then spend it in Mexico, where the dollar is stronger; best for racists like Buz, because they're not here year-round, idle during the off-season, and don't have to employ "coyotes" or engage in drug-smuggling as a side job in order to make the border passage possible; best for the US who continues to be able to rely on the cheap labor we so depend on.

But we should be increasing immigration in general. We have entire cities that are going to shit because nobody lives in them - vacant cities. What use is a vacant city? We should be importing people to live in them. It's better for them and better for us. What on Earth do we think we're running out of in the US that we can't share it with the 80,000 people worldwide who would like to immigrate to the US but aren't allowed to?

We shouldn't welcome illegal anybodies.

They will make good citizens, and their children will go to college.

80,000 can't be a realistic number. More like 800 million.

We're getting criminals along with the good workers, and that should be corrected.

We just need some control over things.

cities like Detroit are actually plowing under portions of their city because people don't live there anymore. Really? 165 million people want to move to the US and we can't figure out a way to move them to Detroit?

I don't so much care about that, either. There's no evidence that criminals in Mexico - where, frankly, criminals have it pretty good - are eager to flee to a country with functioning governance and criminal justice.

We can't get our own citizens to stay in Detroit, why would you think those moving to the US--who can settle anywhere they want (that is, anywhere there is good work)--would want to settle in Detroit?

crashfrog writes:LOL! Most Tea Partiers are retired folks on Social Security or on some form of disability - its estimated that as much as 75% of the Tea Party movement is comprised of people on the public dole. In one instance, a Tea Party rally was funded by taxpayers to the tune of $14,000; approximately $2000 for every participant. (As a taxpayer myself: you're welcome.)

onifre writes:So I have to agree with Coyote that there seriously needs to be some better boarder control. But I also like the idea of letting workers work seasonaly. The problem is, money made in the US is with the intent that most of it will be spent in the US. So I think there will be some issue with them not recirculating the money back into our system and taking it to Mexico. If you can get around that somehow, it's a good idea.

Buzsaw writes:
Had I been allowed to invest all of this money in money markets, etc, I'd be living on easy street today.

I'm one of those Social Security recipients. I, along with most of us paid our dues/taxes for our SS retirement . I paid non-inflated hard earned $$ for 40 years to pay for the pittance of inflated $$ I'm getting back; about enough to keep me from freezing and starvation. Had I been allowed to invest all of this money in money markets, etc, I'd be living on easy street today. I was paying in 25 cent gasoline money and getting back $3.00 gasoline money.
No we seniors, many of whom were Tea Party participants, were not on the public dole. We/they were the cheated ones who were frisked by the government for our hard earned to pay for our own retirement.What is your source that most were seniors and the figure you cited? Methinks it's a blind assertion.BTW, Froggie, who's paying the Union workers, their organizers and many of the people who are there spending money, buying food, buying Ipods, phones, tents, etc.I smell rats here, involving our Organizer In Chief, who saw to it that the workers could get two years $$ from the public dole so as to implement mayhem, chaos and spread anti capitalistic hatred around the nation and the planet?Our Organizer in Chief is organizing his promised civilian army revolution so as to keep his promise of changing America so as for it to be compatible with he, his close bud, Bill Ayres, violent Weather Underground terrorist, America hater/pastor/former Nation Of Islam member/ bud of Louis Farrakahn, self avowed Communist/socialist, Frank Marshal Davis, etc, etc.In order to fundamentally transform our nation into what Bill Ayers et al fail to do violently, the Organizer In Chief plans to achieve chaos and mayhem, destroy the American &&, undermine our only ally in the Mid East, Israel and empower the Islamic Brotherhood in nations like Egypt, Labia, (now Sudan) and other nations.Now our Army is aiding and abetting the ruthless Islamic regime in Sudan who was burning villages, crucifying Christians, burning down the homes of Christians, killing and persecuting Christians to the point that, like now in Egypt, the Christians were forced to organize a resistance to save the lives of their families and avoid being forced to convert to Islam which was why the ruthless regime persecuted them.