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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Larni writes:
I have trouble understanding why someone wouldn't just answer the OP's question. Same avoidance...It must be a fundamental part of ID to be able to identify designed objects. What is going on in their heads to make them post statements like "My house builds itself" rather than posting something like "You measure its complexity using a plexiometer". If someone asked "How do I tell what colour my car is?" I would simply post the steps required to answer this question.I would not post "Your car paints itself." If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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DB writes: Great!
I am also a creationist/IDst. DB writes: And answering the OP would definitely be important and worthy of attention!
The best way I have found to respond to the numerous responses in various posts, is simply extract out of each one what is important and worthy of attention BVZ writes: Have at it! I have found a rock. Nothing special about it. Its just a rock. As far as I know anyway, I am no geologist. Anyway, I want to figure out if this rock was designed or not. How can I use ID theory to figure out if my rock is designed or not?If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
subbie writes:
But surely he would want the kudos of answering the question that no-one else has successfully answered in this thread? He doesn't need to here, Panda. He's already addressed this many times in other threads.Well, we'll see... If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
GDR writes: But ID proponents claim to be able to identify if something is designed or not. IMHO that isn't the right question to ask.Therefore asking them to describe how they identify if something is designed seems to be a fair request. The OP made it reasonably clear in his posts: he is not after the answer 'Yes' or 'No' - he (and I) want to know 'How'. GDR writes: If we know how IDists identify if a rock is designed, then surely we can then apply the same technique to answer your questions. 1/ is the process that allowed this rock to form designed or not or,2/ more philosophically, is the process that allowed me to develop so that I perceive the rock in that form designed or not. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
GDR writes: Yes. But that does not tell us how to identify if it was designed. Don't we know how a rock is formed?The OP (and I) simply want to know how IDists identify if something is designed or not. The example of a rock is meant to be an uncomplicated test subject. GDR writes: Yes. But that doesn't tell us if the rock was designed. We know what the contituent parts are, how they combine etc.And rocks can be created on purpose by humans using the same processes as nature uses, so knowing the process still doesn't answer the question "How can I use ID theory to figure out if my rock is designed or not?". GDR writes: If an IDist would post that technique then maybe I could answer your question. How then do we apply that technigue to understand why anything that we perceive exists?But currently, I do not know what their technique is and therefore cannot suggest how it could be used. GDR writes: It is just as likely that my explanation is lacking in clarity. I think that something you're getting at here has gone over my head. (It's crowded up there. ) ID theory claims to be able to identify if something is designed.The OP is simply asking for a description of how it would work, in practice, on a rock. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
GDR writes: When Intelligent Design is capitalised it is then just part of the political machinations of biblical literalists.
I posted on this thread simply because I have a problem with the term "Intelligent Design". Whe I first heard the term I assumed it would be something that I would adhere to. The I find out it is really a termed coined to try and achieve a political end, and the term has been twisted into meaning somethig that is different than the one would logically assume. GDR writes: Many (most?) christians are happy to accept that evolution happens and that it was 'started' by god. My view is that evolution has the appearance of ID, and you would logically think that there is no reason for them to be mutually exclusive.But that would be 'intelligent design' and not 'Intelligent Design'. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Fascinating...
Anyway - back to the OP - "How can I use ID theory to figure out if my rock is designed or not?" If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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DB writes: You can use Google to find out what words actually mean. Im not seeing any real difference in these wordsIf I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Dawn Bertot writes: Responding is not the same as answering. As I looked at each one of these i see and remember that i have actually answered and responded to each oneIf I asked you "What is the time?" and you said "I don't understand clocks." that would be a response and not an answer to the question. So far, your replies have only been responses.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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SavageD writes: Since ID'ists claim to be able to detect design, your sarcastic comment actually undermines their position. Seems there's no way to tell how a rock was designed Is that what you intended?If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
RB writes: Maybe you could throw in a direct answer too? Just to throw in my two cents in. How do I use ID theory to figure out if my rock is designed or not?Walk me through the steps. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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How do I use ID theory to figure out if my rock is designed or not?
Walk me through the steps. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
RB writes:
Your whole argument rests on this single statement. So processes only exist because of a creator.ID Theory is the claim that processes only exist because of a creator. It is just a baseless assertion with no evidence to support it, and therefore should not be considered to be even slightly scientific. Well, thanks for the answer. There is no reason to think that processes only exist because of a creator - but at least we now know what ID 'Theory' is. p.s.And to make things worse: it is a circular argument. If we were to continue along the line of questioning started with "Is my stone designed"...Panda: "Are planets designed?" RB: "Yes. Planets are designed by a creator." Panda: "How do you know?" RB: "All processes are designed by a creator." Panda: "Is rain designed?" RB: "Yes. Rain is designed by a creator." Panda: "How do you know?" RB: "All processes are designed by a creator." The conclusion that stones, planets and rain (and all other processes) are designed by a creator is based upon the premise that all processes are designed by a creator.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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