Maybe it's different in America, but in the UK we are allowed to take time off from work and spend the money we have earned.
In America we are allowed to take time off from work and spend the money whe have earned also. In UK does this apply to time off for protesting rallies during normal work time? If so, please cite source.
I'm sure that many of the people doing occupy wall street are using time off from work including vacation or other paid leave. In that case it might be literally true that the employer is paying the employee while he protests. Of course nobody should accuse the employer of supporting the employee's politics just because the employer does not terminate the employee on vacation.
I'm not surprised that somebody is reporting that OWS is being financed by left-leaning companies. I'm just surprised that anyone older than eight would believe such reporting without doing some basic fact checking. Of course some posters have well deserved reputations for forming or confirming their beliefs in exactly that way.
I hereby retract all of the mouthing off I've ever done about the current generation being politically passive. Hopefully OWS doesn't produce a Kent state type 'incident'.
I'm sure that many of the people doing occupy wall street are using time off from work including vacation or other paid leave. In that case it might be literally true that the employer is paying the employee while he protests. Of course nobody should accuse the employer of supporting the employee's politics just because the employer does not terminate the employee on vacation.
Quite possibly so. However, Buz will have you believe that "normal work hours" are 9-5 because "in the good ole days" men worked in factories during the day and came home at night to their wife and two kids in their suburban white picket fenced house. I have NEVER had a job with what many consider "normal" hours, so I take it especially personal when people make those sorts of remarks.
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In UK does this apply to time off for protesting rallies during normal work time? If so, please cite source.
What does it matter what the time off is for?
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Maybe it is different in America, but in the UK we can go wherever we want and do whatever we want when we take time off from work.
You're doing a classic straw job, Panda. My point was that many of these protesters are there 24/7. Those have no jobs. No employer in UK or the US is going to just let them take normal work time off for that purpose 24/7. No?
These protests are not spontaneous like the Tea Parties. They are well organized and planned by anti-capitalist entities. SEIU UNION BOSSES the 2ne largest union in the nation are organizing protests nationwide.
Someone is providing the squatters with their needs Some of them are likely 99 week unemployed trashing up the property of the taxpayers paying their dime.
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The Tea Parties were not "spontaneous", they were created by MSNBC and funded by the Koch brothers.
MSNBC? More likely in reaction to MSNBC and it's biased reporting.
Really, I'd like to know where you got this MSNBC stuff. They aren't exactly middle of the road, or even slightly left leaning. How do you conclude that they are supporting the tea parties?
As for the Koch brothers, please provide evidence that they financed all of those people who gathered for peaceful protests.
I was thinking of going to one of their protests, but never got around to it. (I was waiting for my check from the Koch brothers, but it never came. Must have been lost in the mail, eh?)
By the way, at least the tea party folks cleaned up after themselves. That's more than the flea baggers are doing. Their protest areas are more likely to need serious fumigation when they're done.
Really, I'd like to know where you got this MSNBC stuff.
Am I wrong? Didn't I link Rick Santinelli's famous Tea Party-starting rant the other week? lemme see if I can find it again.
Sorry, I guess I was wrong - it was CNBC, not MSNBC.
By the way, at least the tea party folks cleaned up after themselves.
No, that's largely a myth. Tea Party rallies have required hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayer-supported cleanups. The OWS protesters, on the other hand, actually are cleaning up after themselves:
quote:Occupy Wall Street Protesters Clean Zuccotti Park In Preparation For Evacuation
On Thursday evening, a couple dozen Occupy Wall Street protesters in Zuccotti Park grabbed brooms and buckets and set about sweeping up the site. For the last two days, they had begun to work harder than usual to keep the park clean and attractive, putting their brooms to work, filling up buckets of water at nearby restaurants and even, according to one protester, planting flowers.
Protesters say they are cleaning the park so that the city doesn't have to do so.
As a result of this action the city canceled plans to clean the park, saving city taxpayers thousands. But, don't let that stop you from continuing to misrepresent this:
as somehow portraying an enormous mess with filthy hippies shitting all over, or whatever. Of course, now that OWS occupiers have been revealed to be more Galliant than Goofus, the new conservative line is that cleaning up after yourself is no big deal:
quote:I'm not sure that cleaning up after yourself is really that big a deal (most people already do that) or why you thought it needed to be pointed out.
Sorry, Coyote, you're a few hours behind on the dismissive conservative talking points. The new line is that it doesn't matter if you clean up after yourself (you might want to go back and re-edit your message to reflect your new marching orders.)
As for the Koch brothers, please provide evidence that they financed all of those people who gathered for peaceful protests.
Koch funding comes primarily through their "Americans for Prosperity" foundation, though they're not quick to actually put their names on these activities:
quote:A few weeks after the Lincoln Center gala, the advocacy wing of the Americans for Prosperity Foundationan organization that David Koch started, in 2004held a different kind of gathering. Over the July 4th weekend, a summit called Texas Defending the American Dream took place in a chilly hotel ballroom in Austin. Though Koch freely promotes his philanthropic ventures, he did not attend the summit, and his name was not in evidence. And on this occasion the audience was roused not by a dance performance but by a series of speakers denouncing President Barack Obama. Peggy Venable, the organizer of the summit, warned that Administration officials have a socialist vision for this country. Five hundred people attended the summit, which served, in part, as a training session for Tea Party activists in Texas.
By the way, at least the tea party folks cleaned up after themselves. That's more than the flea baggers are doing. Their protest areas are more likely to need serious fumigation when they're done.
(Dons flame suit.)
After your last effort on this thread, you could at least try to post something that's actually true.
No, that is not just a (reimagined) Cylon platitude. This has happened before, and it will happen again.
The Bonus Army: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_army An "Occupy Washington DC" assembly, 1932. WWI veterans who had been promised benefits for their service in WWI and who demanded payment thereof. And had been out of work because of the Great Depression. They set up a Hooverville, an emcampment of the unemployed, what we would presently call bums camped out on Skid Row.
Result: 28 July 1932 the police moved against the squatters. The violence that ensued resulted in President Hoover ordering the Army to evict the Bonus Army, led by General Douglas MacArthur using six battle tanks commanded by Major George S. Patton.
This has all happened before, and it will all happen again.
You're doing a classic straw job, Panda. My point was that many of these protesters are there 24/7. Those have no jobs.
No - I am saying that in the UK we are legally entitled to take time off from work and (if we choose) spend 24/7 at a protest rally.
Buzsaw writes:
No employer in UK or the US is going to just let them take normal work time off for that purpose 24/7. No?
Maybe it is different in America, but in the UK, when we take a day off from work we get to spend the whole day (24/7) away from work. And as I said previously, we can go wherever we want and do whatever we want.
Buzsaw writes:
Someone is providing the squatters with their needs Some of them are likely 99 week unemployed trashing up the property of the taxpayers paying their dime.
Maybe it is different in America, but in the UK we can take weeks off from work and (if we choose) use the money we have earned to attend a protest rally.
So, to spell it out, in the UK: Employers will give employees weeks off from work. Employees are allowed to spend their all of their time off (24/7) at protest rallies. Employees are allowed to use their earnings to support themselves while at protest rallies.
But maybe it is different in America... Is it?
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