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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
That's a great retort. At least your taking the text seriously - no other post did. Of note here is that the criteria is not about wild animals but clean and unclean. Also, the translation may not be accurately understood of the ancient Hebrew writings, and maybe such birds were housed for other reasons which I am not aware of. Many birds are ritually clean from the text's pov, namely it is referring to 'kosher' animals or those permissable; of note the pig is not mentioned - sorry pig!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Its not what I think but what the text says:
quote: Of note, you left it out!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Absolutely it does. Thy household refers to Noah's possessions, which applies to life forms - these are qualified in the text by the account of live stock in additional to his family. A host of other verses also align with it. Once this is accepted, all the rest makes sense; the reverse applies with its rejection.
quote: Animals are also listed. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Clean refers to kosher, namely ritually clean for consumption, not that those animals are bad or inferior to other animals, but only prohibited for consumption; usually, these animals are scavangers and will eat any and everything and can have toxic effects. Pigs are not kosher because they do not meet the criteria. In Hebrew, the term clean animals is kosher animals in the text - its where the word comes from. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Snakes, worms, elephants. These are found in Noah's region.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. It means from all the face of the earth in the designated region of Noah. I gave tacit examples of the same book which concerned Lot and his two daughters in the matter of Sodom. Everyone disregards the text to align with their own illformed agenda. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Is the fable mount ararat, introduced for the first time in its correct geographical location, a fable? Are the geneologies listed in error? Are the foods listed in contradiction of its period?
This book is not about Zeus, Jupiter and Lord Venus!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: No, it is not plausable to be made up. It is the greatet math in recorded history, aligning with millions of numbers, life spans, dates, names and places over a 3000 year period. How do we know the 10 Cmands were given on a saturday - can you answer that fable!?
quote: They are!
quote: Londonium [Bridge in latin], as with Briton, are given latin names by Rome some 2000 years ago. Jerusalem, Hevron, Bet El, Avraham, etc are Hebrew names given for the first time.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
A cubit is aprox a feet, +_ a few cms. Namely, it is the length of elbow to palm. See also the writings of Josephus, who describes the temple fortress measurements, both in Hebrew and Greek, to the Romans and the Greeks, as the biggest monument on the earth, in 'cubits'. The dimensions of the boat given to Noah allows to other reading of who/what entered the arc. Such blatant omissions are telling of the fable pushers. Specifically, it contradicts all notions of a writing being wrong or a fable because all the animals of the earth obviously could not fit in such a boat - oh realy! How observant of you! But the sign in your front and rear vision mirrors say:
WRONG WAY - GO BACK.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
The 10 C's were given on a saturday, by virtue of its calculus proof - something which cannot be improvised from millions of datings and numbers inerspersed of a 3000 year period, with no errors, in the absence of a super pc or record of that entire period. The text reads 'REMEMBER "THIS" DAY AS THE SATURDAY'. The sabbath law, namely a rest one day per week for all workers with pay, was introduced here, including the DAY and the WEEK. It is different in kind and degree from anything anyone can produce as an equavelence.
Moses is today unproven, despite a host of absolutely credible evidences. But till recently, King David and Solomon were regarded as myth by big time scholars and archeologists - they will never recover from their shame, thanks to the ground itself spitting out this proof. Moses never entered Canaan, and the area in question is notoriously controlled by forces opposing, negating, denying and destroying any possible proof. The Hebrew writings are humanity's most credible historical documents, with over 70% already proven: no scripture can match this. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: KJ is a third/forth generation translation with a decidedly European Christian perspective. With all its good intentions, it also makes a Walt Disney effect of the Hebrew: consider that Isaac was a strapping man in his 30's when he was offered for sacrifice by Abraham - not a child in his father's arms as depicted in European paintings. The test was not on Abraham, who fully believed in his actions by proof given him in the matter of a belated son at an old age. This was in fact a world changing account, whereby without Isaac's input in enabling Abraham to pass such a test there would not be three religions today. The Septuagint is much older than the KJ and has no Christian input, [300 BCE], and this too relies on the Hebrew writings. You have no credible options in your claim of Noah without the Hebrew writings. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: He prepared for them, as directed to him. That the animals came of their own signifies these were domestic animals who knew their keepers; they would have also been privy before humans of an on-coming natural disaster. This story is not about FX miracles, which are listed in a host of other places in the Hebrew writings, greater in kind than any mind can imagine. This is about authenticity of the story in its minaiture details which also aligns with a common natural disaster. The only difference is the weather forecaster in this case is Noah's God. There is no question a natural disaster occured here; no one has disputed this primal factor. The dispute is limited to the size of this disaster only, whether it is a global or regional one. This gives the report a great measure of authetic and credible reporting - at least in the category of a disaster occuring, whether it was global or regional, reported of a period when no such detailed reportings is seen elsewhere. The other factor is about motive. There is no reason to include the whole world when reporting a regional event. There is also no sense in disregarding the report as wholly mythical when all of its content is regarded!
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: A fair point. However, Noah would have possessed both clean and unclean animals; some for consumption some not, which is directied by the extra number of consumable clean animals. The text is not in contradiction mode - the provision applies to a regional flood not a global one.
quote: True. Here it must be seen with the difference of a statement by God or the people. E.g. Jacob was married to two sisters, forbidden under the Mosaic law. This is fine where the law was not yet given. But this is not fine if the declaration came from the law giver, in Noah's time as from God. I mean, there is a difference between what is described in the Hebrew writings as authentic details of how a people act and how God does. God cannot be seen to contradict or change his mind; a positive pledge by God cannot be changed even by God himself, based on the premise God is truth - so no, God cannot do anything and remain as God. Whatever people did before the law is one thing; another what God said. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Earth refers to all land. The variance of cubit measures do not impact the size what would allow all life forms to fit, so why go there.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: I don't see it that way. That God is omnipotent is generic; it does not negate the parametres of what is and is not coherent from a human POV.
quote: 15 cubits is a small amount; it has no relevency with covering the earth. There is a diminishing series of rejections, but it won't result in a backdown for sure.
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