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Author Topic:   What the KJV Bible says about the Noah Flood
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Message 201 of 306 (639609)
11-02-2011 11:14 AM
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11-02-2011 4:57 AM


Re: ONCE MORE WITH FEELINGS.
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
Only the life forms in Noah's household/possessions were called for [the text]; only these entered the ark [the absence of any wild animals in the text].
Present supporting texts.
IamJoseph writes:
This was an agricultural epoch of humanity, its people having large Texas style lands with a host of life forms utilized for food and trading. They usually never ventured outside their towns for most of their lives; many never even knew there were other lands or nations. This regional flood appeared to them as a global one, and the writings reflect this authentically of its period - aka 'SPEAKING IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE PEOPLE".
Present supporting text.
IamJoseph writes:
All anti-creationists focus on what they can impound on and connect with their agenda, while playing 3 blind mice of millions of stats introduced for the first time to humanity in the Hebrew writings.
There are no anti-creationists period.
Everyone believes in creation.
There are those who believe in the creation account in the Bible and there are those who believe in the creation of everything from an absence of anything. But everyone believes in creation as science teaches the universe had a beginning they just don't know where it came from or how it began to exist.
IamJoseph writes:
The Hebrew writings are NOT a Walt Disney story.
Neither was it a IamJoseph or Watchman Nee story.
God Bless,

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Message 202 of 306 (639612)
11-02-2011 11:36 AM
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11-02-2011 10:05 AM


Re: ONCE MORE WITH FEELINGS.
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
Its not about 'and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth'.
quote:
Genesis Its not about 'and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth'.
The Hebrew word כל translated every is a preposition that means all.
What part of every (all) living substance excluded?
Where is that part it excluded?
quote:
6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
What part of all flesh is excluded?
Where is that part excluded?
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Message 203 of 306 (639614)
11-02-2011 11:51 AM
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11-02-2011 10:20 AM


Re: look at what the God characters say
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
No sir, it does not say 'from the face of the earth'.
quote:
7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
Are you saying that verse does not say "from off the face of the earth"?
IamJoseph writes:
It points only to those outside of Noah's possessions [the text you ignored].
Where in the above verse does it mention anything in or outside of Noah's possessions?
IamJoseph writes:
Every living creature in Noah's region.
Where does any of the text say in Noah's region?
IamJoseph writes:
Alexander: "I will destroy the Persian king Darius from off the face of the earth".
Tasmania excluded.
Tasmania was not included to be destroyed or it would have been.
Something has to be excluded to not be destroyed.
Only the things in the ark was preserved from being destroyed that had the breath of life (breathed air) and was not destroyed.
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Message 204 of 306 (639617)
11-02-2011 12:03 PM
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11-02-2011 10:27 AM


Re: ONCE MORE WITH FEELINGS.
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
That's a great retort. At least your taking the text seriously - no other post did. Of note here is that the criteria is not about wild animals but clean and unclean.
Are there any other kinds of animals.
Either an animal is clean or unclean there is no other description.
IamJoseph writes:
namely it is referring to 'kosher' animals or those permissable; of note the pig is not mentioned - sorry pig!
But the text does not specify 'kosher' animals.
quote:
Genesis 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
If you will notice Noah and his wife, Noah's son's and their wives went into the ark.
None of them had anything to do with the animals or birds that came into the ark.
The animals arrived and boarded the ark all by themselves.
There was clean beasts, unclean beasts, fowls, and everything that creepeth upon the earth that boarded the ark.
Now where is any wild animal left out?
Give the text that excludes any species of animal that was on the earth at the time of the flood of Noah.
God Bless,

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Message 205 of 306 (639620)
11-02-2011 12:19 PM
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11-02-2011 10:30 AM


Re: look at what the God characters say
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
quote:
Genesis 7/1 And the LORD said unto Noah: 'Come thou and all thy house into the ark.
Of note, you left it out!
Where in that does it say household and household pets?
The Hebrew word translated house could have been translated humans in house.
God does specify what He means.
quote:
Genesis 6:18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
This specifies who Noah is responsible to make sure they are in the ark.
God Bless,

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Message 217 of 306 (639686)
11-02-2011 11:21 PM
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11-02-2011 6:50 PM


Re: look at what the God characters say
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
Animals are also listed.
Yes animals are listed.
quote:
7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.
7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,
7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
Noah and his wife his sons and their wives went into the ark.
Then the clean beasts and the unclean beasts and fowls and of everything that creepeth upon the earth came aboard the ark two by two unto Noah into the ark.
So Noah had nothing to do with the animals coming aboard the ark.
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Message 219 of 306 (639690)
11-02-2011 11:57 PM
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11-02-2011 6:55 PM


Re: ONCE MORE WITH FEELINGS.
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
Clean refers to kosher,
So clean animals refer to the ones the law which was given a long time after the flood specified. OK I will go with that.
Here is the list of clean and unclean animals in the law.
quote:
Leviticus 11:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
11:3 Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
11:4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11:5 And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven-footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
11:8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
11:9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
11:10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11:11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcasses in abomination.
11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
11:13 And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
11:14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
11:15 Every raven after his kind;
11:16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckoo, and the hawk after his kind,
11:17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
11:18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
11:19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
11:20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
11:24 And for these ye shall be unclean: whosoever toucheth the carcass of them shall be unclean until the even.
11:25 And whosoever beareth ought of the carcass of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.
11:26 The carcasses of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not cloven-footed, nor cheweth the cud, are unclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean.
11:27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcass shall be unclean until the even.
11:28 And he that beareth the carcass of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.
11:29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
11:30 And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.
11:31 These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.
11:32 And upon whatsoever any of them, when they are dead, doth fall, it shall be unclean; whether it be any vessel of wood, or raiment, or skin, or sack, whatsoever vessel it be, wherein any work is done, it must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the even; so it shall be cleansed.
11:33 And every earthen vessel, whereinto any of them falleth, whatsoever is in it shall be unclean; and ye shall break it.
11:34 Of all meat which may be eaten, that on which such water cometh shall be unclean: and all drink that may be drunk in every such vessel shall be unclean.
11:35 And every thing whereupon any part of their carcass falleth shall be unclean; whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean and shall be unclean unto you.
11:36 Nevertheless a fountain or pit, wherein there is plenty of water, shall be clean: but that which toucheth their carcass shall be unclean.
11:37 And if any part of their carcass fall upon any sowing seed which is to be sown, it shall be clean.
11:38 But if any water be put upon the seed, and any part of their carcass fall thereon, it shall be unclean unto you.
11:39 And if any beast, of which ye may eat, die; he that toucheth the carcass thereof shall be unclean until the even.
11:40 And he that eateth of the carcass of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: he also that beareth the carcass of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.
11:41 And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.
11:42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.
11:43 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.
11:44 For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
11:45 For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.
I think if you read that list closely you will find every creature that exists on planet Earth today is covered as being either a clean beast or an unclean beast.
So when the text says:
quote:
7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
All flesh it means all flesh that has the breath of life. Whether they were clean or unclean.
The sow (or gilt) and boar made the trip. They were unclean animals.
But the law of Moses was not in effect at the time of the flood.
God Bless,

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Message 221 of 306 (639693)
11-03-2011 1:10 AM
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11-02-2011 6:57 PM


Re: ONCE MORE WITH FEELINGS.
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
Snakes, worms, elephants. These are found in Noah's region.
That is not a verse that is animals.
This verse covers the snakes, worms, and elephants.
quote:
11:42 Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.
God Bless,

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Message 222 of 306 (639694)
11-03-2011 1:18 AM
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11-03-2011 12:11 AM


Re: ONCE MORE WITH FEELINGS.
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
the provision applies to a regional flood not a global one.
So you keep asserting.
quote:
Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
Can you tell me where there would be dry land if all the hills under the whole heaven was covered with 15 cubits of water?
God Bless,

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Message 223 of 306 (639695)
11-03-2011 1:26 AM
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11-02-2011 11:34 PM


Re: look at what the God characters say
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
He prepared for them, as directed to him. That the animals came of their own signifies these were domestic animals who knew their keepers; they would have also been privy before humans of an on-coming natural disaster.
Yes Noah built the ark as God had commanded with rooms in it.
Yes Noah gathered food as God had commanded him to do.
If God told a lion to get on the ark why wouldn't that lion get on the ark.
You are limiting God's abilities and power.
If He couldn't have all kinds of wild animals get on the ark how will He be able to get the lion to eat straw and lay down by the lamb?
IamJoseph writes:
The dispute is limited to the size of this disaster only, whether it is a global or regional one.
There is no dispute in the text.
According to Genesis 7:19, 20 all the high hills under the whole heaven was covered with 15 cubits of water.
That don't leave any dry land anywhere.

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Message 224 of 306 (639697)
11-03-2011 1:44 AM
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11-02-2011 8:28 PM


A cubit
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
A cubit is aprox a feet, +_ a few cms. Namely, it is the length of elbow to palm.
The short Hebrew cubit was 17.8 inches.
The long Hebrew cubit was 20.67 inches.
The Holy cubit was 25.03 inches.
Why do you insist on call the ark a boat?
IamJoseph writes:
Specifically, it contradicts all notions of a writing being wrong or a fable because all the animals of the earth obviously could not fit in such a boat
Why don't you figure up how many cubit feet would be required to put the 10,000 to 17,000 critters on the earth today and I will figure out how big the ark would have to be to house them.
God Bless,

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Message 225 of 306 (639698)
11-03-2011 1:49 AM
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11-02-2011 7:01 PM


Re: ONCE MORE WITH FEELINGS.
Hi Joseph,
Joseph writes:
It means from all the face of the earth in the designated region of Noah.
So where does it designate the region of Noah.
The dry land of Genesis 1:9, 10 was called earth.
If the face of that dry land was covered with water where was the dry land left under the heavens where all land under the heavens was covered with 15 cubits of water.
God Bless,

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Message 233 of 306 (639754)
11-03-2011 4:08 PM
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11-03-2011 4:25 AM


Re: ONCE MORE WITH FEELINGS.
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
Earth refers to all land. The variance of cubit measures do not impact the size what would allow all life forms to fit, so why go there.
What does that Gish Gallop have to do with the question I asked.
Here is the question again and I will try to simplify it so you can understand the question.
quote:
The dry land of Genesis 1:9, 10 was called earth.
If the face of that dry land was covered with water where was the dry land left under the heavens where all land under the heavens was covered with 15 cubits of water.
There was a dry land mass that the water left visible when the water gathered to one place. Genesis 1:9, 10.
I believe the dry land mass was all in one place but that is immaterial to what we are discussing.
The dry land mass could have been shaped just as it is today.
Everything would be covered by water.
quote:
Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
1. All the high hills were covered. Not some of the high hills.
2. All the high hills that were under the whole heaven was covered with 15 cubits of water.
Using the short Hebrew cubit there was 22.25 feet of water.
Using the long Hebrew cubit there was 25.8375 feet of water.
Using the Holy cubit there was 31.2875 feet of water.
The amount of water is immaterial. The highest part of dry land that existed under the whole heaven was covered by 15 cubits of water.
Therefore if there was any dry land it was not on the planet earth, as it had to be out from under the heaven.
Now if you want to argue that there was not enough room on the ark for two of 'ALL' creatures plus the extra clean creatures figure up the amount of cubic feet required for them to exist on the ark and I will see if I can get them to fit. There are between 10,000 and 17,000 species alive today.
The size of the cubit used by Noah does make a big difference in the size of the ark.
Using the smallest Hebrew cubit there was 1,468,685.403465 cubic feet in the ark.
Using the Holy cubit there was 4,011,000 cubic feet.
So the size of the cubit makes a big difference.
God Bless,

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Message 234 of 306 (639755)
11-03-2011 4:16 PM
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Re: look at what the God characters say
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
I don't see it that way. That God is omnipotent is generic; it does not negate the parametres of what is and is not coherent from a human POV.
What does the human POV have to do with what God does.
God said: "And of every living thing of all flesh"...
Every living thing does not change from every to some just because you want it too or believe that it does.
IamJoseph writes:
15 cubits is a small amount; it has no relevency with covering the earth. There is a diminishing series of rejections, but it won't result in a backdown for sure.
15 cubits of water on the highest hill under the heaven does not leave any dry land.
If you disagree please explain how there would be any dry land anywhere if the highest point of dry land on planet earth was covered with 15 cubits of water.
God Bless,

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Message 235 of 306 (639756)
11-03-2011 4:42 PM
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Re: ONCE MORE WITH FEELINGS.
Hi Joseph,
IamJoseph writes:
That is well outside the Noah story.
Yes but it declares what is a clean animal and and unclean animal.
The snake, and worms go on their belly and the elephant goes on all fours. All of these are listed as unclean animals.
You are the one claiming they were not on the ark, not me.
quote:
Genesis 7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
7:14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life..
Two of everything that breathed of ALL flesh went into the ark.
I guess Noah was responsible for the rest of the clean animals because they did not load themselves.
IamJoseph writes:
The main problem has been cherry picking verses out of context with the entire reportings and leaving out pivotal verses.
Is the three verses presented above cherry picking?
IamJoseph writes:
Its always the multitiude that is wrong.
Since I am a minority of 1 as no one believes what I do then I have to be correct, if your statement is correct.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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