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Larni
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Message 1 of 18 (636577)
10-07-2011 9:57 PM


I've never really read mainstream DC comics. I'm partial to Hellblazer and Wildstorm; but it's never really been my bag.
But now the new 52 arrives with Stormwatch, Grifter, Voodoo and a re imaged Superman (never liked the old version but I apprehend that DC have lost the rights to Supes origin story) who is down powered to reasonable levels.
And my second favourite hero (after Spidey) The Midnighter is back in print.
Anyone else feeling good about the new DC line?

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 3 of 18 (636584)
10-07-2011 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by crashfrog
10-07-2011 10:44 PM


They had a real opportunity to shrug off a stultifying continuity and freshen comics for a new generation, and it sounds like they blew it. Of course, I'm a total Marvel fanboy so more power to 'em.
I'm a Marvel fanboi. The very fact that the continuity is up in the air is why I'm having a look at them now.
Did you read the Flash 5 part that set the scene for the new 52. By DC standards it was really imaginative.
I never would have thought I would have ever said anything good about DC, but I'm enjoying the new 'history lite' style.
Course, if it happened in the Marvel Continuity a la 'Brand New Day' I would be killing people, again.
But the also re imaged Grifter and Voodoo: go Wildstorm!
I just hope Apollo and Midnighter are still gay for each other: Jenny needs two dads.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Larni
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From: Liverpool
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Message 5 of 18 (636606)
10-08-2011 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Granny Magda
10-08-2011 7:08 AM


I guess as someone who never got on with Batman or Superman and someone who thought the non-Wildstorm capes were a bunch of no marks (Aquaman? What a fucking useless character)' I'm liking the freshness of the new line.
Not being wed to (and actively disliking) the origin stories it's nice to have a bunch of new stuff that I can take or leave but could go on my to read list.
It's only because of this new start that I have been able to read a Bats or Supes comic instead of getting half way through and thinking 'who fucking cares'.
I read the second Stormwatchband was interested to see them actively throwing red herrings at the JLA to keep them occupied with the more cosmic stuff. It's my notion that Stormwatch will handle the cosmic stuff a la FF in Marvel. That would seem to be a good use of the Authority/Stormwatch brand.
I just hope they keep Midnighter as a real badass 'cause I have a feeling Apollomwill be neutered.
As an aside I always thought Grifter was more like a Hawkeye/Bullseye pastiche. About the only consistent power he has is never missing and coda training.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Larni
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From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 9 of 18 (636614)
10-08-2011 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Granny Magda
10-08-2011 11:16 AM


I know what you mean about Image. I slogged through Wildcats out of pure bloody mindedness.
Did you read the Midnighter's solo run? I really liked it.
I'm thinking that maybe every DC cape could be de powered. The second Action Comics editorial talks about Supes being depicted as expending effort to do super things. The story shows him being knocked out by a train and he seems to be unable to fly.
Hopefully a blend of the good parts of the silver age and whatnthe dork age should have been.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Larni
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From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 10 of 18 (636616)
10-08-2011 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by crashfrog
10-08-2011 10:33 AM


That's some painful art work!

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Larni
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From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 13 of 18 (639980)
11-05-2011 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Granny Magda
10-08-2011 11:53 AM


After reading Stormwatch #3 it seems I was pretty close with them being a covert cosmic JLA.
They even talk about the JLA 'blundering around'. Seems as if they are the FF to the Avengers.
As an aside, I'm glad I slogged through Wildcats. It got better with the advent of the Halo arc.
Less a generic team of supes.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 15 of 18 (639985)
11-05-2011 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by NoNukes
11-05-2011 6:18 PM


Re: Thanks!
I have to say I liked Hawk and Dove and Red Hood and co was good, also.
I've been a Marvel fanboi for since ever but I'm really loving the new 52: even Superman.
That said, my comic high this week was Spidey getting his spider sense back: now he's got spider-fu and spider-sense.
Now, I reckon, he could give Iron Fist and Capt a run for their money in terms of close assault ability.
/fandom

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 17 of 18 (639991)
11-06-2011 4:30 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by NoNukes
11-06-2011 1:04 AM


Re: Thanks!
Spidey is the main man, as far as Marvel is concerned. He's an 'A' lister: but Marvel always 'big ups' Capt and Iron Fist is in the game Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom (so the're upping his profile).
I've never read any of they're solo efforts and can ndver really keep straight whether Capt is Bucky or Steve, these days.
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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