quote:The solution is for the rich, the middle class and the poor to go to the poles and fire the boobs, replacing them with conservative (i.e. to conserve) representatives who hold the line on spending, cut the pork,etc.
crashfrog writes:
What conservative has ever "held the line" on spending? Please be specific. Even Ronaldus Maximus grew the deficit and increased spending.
What conservative president has had a lean spending Congress which creates the spending bills?
quote:The solution is for the protesting rent-a-mob rif-raf, trashing up the homes, businesses and offices on Wall Street to go to work, earn their way and advocate for candidates who will cease and desist doing what the boobs in government are doing.
crashfrog writes:
Didn't we just learn that 85% of the OWS protesters were already employed?
Yah, sure Employed by who? Who, besides rent-a-mob lefty organizations allows them time off to trash up and protest, defecating on private property, etc.
What "homes" do you think there are on Wall Street? And what do Wall Street financial elites do to "earn their way"? Remember, just because someone pays you, doesn't mean you earned it.
Right, it's ACORN. An organization that hasn't existed since it was framed by conservative for crimes it not only didn't commit, but that never actually happened. Somehow they've come from BEYOND THE GRAVE to, what, throw a few drum circles in some city parks?
quote:But the only difference between the new groups and ACORN is the names, Issa said. The groups are keeping the same employees and the same tax identification numbers. For example, Issa said, Affordable Housing Centers of America was formerly ACORN Housing. The new corporation has the same tax ID and employee identification number as ACORN Housing, which received millions of dollars in funding from the Department of Housing Urban and Development
Maybe it's different in America, but in the UK we are allowed to take time off from work and spend the money we have earned.
In America we are allowed to take time off from work and spend the money whe have earned also. In UK does this apply to time off for protesting rallies during normal work time? If so, please cite source.
Maybe it is different in America, but in the UK we can go wherever we want and do whatever we want when we take time off from work.
You're doing a classic straw job, Panda. My point was that many of these protesters are there 24/7. Those have no jobs. No employer in UK or the US is going to just let them take normal work time off for that purpose 24/7. No?
These protests are not spontaneous like the Tea Parties. They are well organized and planned by anti-capitalist entities. SEIU UNION BOSSES the 2ne largest union in the nation are organizing protests nationwide.
Someone is providing the squatters with their needs Some of them are likely 99 week unemployed trashing up the property of the taxpayers paying their dime.
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Video clearly shows the police tossing some kind of device (that explodes, bright light and smoke) directly into the (small, unarmed, nonviolent) group trying to help an injured protester. So there's one gross violation. I've heard the OPD blaming the officers from "other" places for pretty much all of the bad behavior. Not OUR fault, must have been officers from Petaluma or Navato. It's clearly not the OPDs responsibility to make sure those reinforcements they've called in act in accordance with the city policies. That would be asking far too much. Seems to me the OPD should have been arresting the out-of-town officers then. Weren't they, too, breaking the law?
The mobsters were not unarmed. They were armed with anything they could get their hands on including stones and fire extinguishers, etc etc. All kinds of dangerous stuff was being thrown at the officers.
Given the radical left wing liberal atmosphere in Oakland, it must have been bad for the police and town fathers to stop the destruction violence and rebellion against law authorities. .Had it been in Iowa or Montana etc, one might expect the police to react.
Had they not called in outside enforcement, likely they would've been over-run by the frenzied mobs.
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Beginning with Muslim nations, the notion of rebellion is spreading globally. It's all indicative of implementing a globalist socialist New World Order. Note that Muslims are participating in the US protests. Assuredly they're active in many nations. This all goes well with the Muslim doctrine, beginning with Mohammed of global dominancy via procreation, violence and rebellion.
Sharia Islam is expanding globally, nation by nation, region by region and increased influence in the UN world body. This all pertains to fulfillment of the Biblical prophets regarding the end times and Armageddon.
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Peter Schiff, is a businessman and financial commentator. He's the CEO of Euro Pacific Capital Inc CEO of Euro Pacific Precious Metals, LLC, a gold and silver dealer based in New York City.[13] Schiff went down to interview the Occupy Wall Streeters to represent the 1% pro-capitalist constituency.
He did a good job of articulating much of what a few of us of the minority PoV have been saying in this thread.
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I (more or less) agree with the Schiff position - I don't know what portion of the OWS protesters also do.
Corporatism = bad capitalism? The conservative push seems to favor big business and small government. Not so much collusion as a capture of government by big business.
By the way, Buz - Do you consider it moral or immoral for an individual to be paid far more than he/she has earned?
Schiff's position is not that corporatism = bad capitalism. Corporatism is an integral aspect of capitalism. Schiff repeatedly made the point that bad capitalism was government inter-meddling with corporate affairs, i.e. that big banks and any corporate entities should be allowed to stand or fail on their own merit, etc. Government subsidies/bailouts, just makes for more failure, having not fixed the reason for failure.
quote:The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers with weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that failed to "meet the credit needs" of "low-income, minority, and distressed neighborhoods." Lenders responded by loosening their underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, encouraged this "sub-prime" lending by authorizing ever more "flexible" criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that ensued.
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Clinton! He decreased the deficit to the point that we actually had a very small surplus that COULD have been used to cut the debt, but Bush increased military spending and cut taxes, and blew that even before 9/11
It was Clinton's Republican Congress that, in spite of Clinton, that eliminated the deficit and spending.
quote:Gingrich's finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years.
We have a balanced budget today that is mostly a result of 1) an exceptionally strong economy that is creating gobs of new tax revenues and 2) a shrinking military budget. Social spending is still soaring and now costs more than $1 trillion.
Skeptics said it could not be done in seven years. The GOP did it in four.
Now let us contrast this with the Clinton fiscal record. Recall that it was the Clinton White House that fought Republicans every inch of the way in balancing the budget in 1995. When Republicans proposed their own balanced-budget plan, the White House waged a shameless Mediscare campaign to torpedo the plan -- a campaign that the Washington Post slammed as "pure demagoguery." It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP's balanced-budget plan. In fact, during the height of the budget wars in the summer of 1995, the Clinton administration admitted that "balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities."
And lest we forget, it was Bill Clinton and his wife who tried to engineer a federal takeover of the health care system -- a plan that would have sent the government's finances into the stratosphere. Tom Delay was right: for Clinton to take credit for the balanced budget is like Chicago Cubs pitcher Steve Trachsel taking credit for delivering the pitch to Mark McGuire that he hit out of the park for his 62nd home run.
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The Cato Institute? Seriously? That's your authoritative source?
You're attacking my source. That's smoke and mirrors. That's blind assertion. What you need to do is to effectively refute the information from the source concerning it's message. What is your response, and your own source supportive, better than Cato, to your response?
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