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Theodoric Member Posts: 9146 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
It is impossible for it to be slander
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
AE writes: just another example of slander and name calling. keep this place classy omnivorous Slander commonly defined is a malicious, false, and defamatory statement. Truth is commonly considered a strong defense against charges of slander. You, like most conservatives, are convinced of your own victimimization, all the while mocking those whom you feel seek gain from an "ideology of victimology." I rest your case. "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Slander commonly defined is a malicious, false, and defamatory statement. Slander is oral, libel is written. Posts on this board would come under the latter.
You, like most conservatives, are convinced of your own victimimization, all the while mocking those whom you feel seek gain from an "ideology of victimology."
I disagree about your charge that most conservatives feel they are victims. Leaving social conservatives out of the conversation as not being real conservatives in most any respect, how can you claim that, for example, small government conservatives feel to be victims? They're mostly hard-working middle-American who are just trying to stay ahead of the tax and spend crowd. On the other hand, what I have seen around a lot of colleges is a plethora of "victims" who claim to want "social justice." And portraying themselves as victims is one of their main tools to acquiring that "social justice." And anything they claim to want comes usually at someone else's expense...
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
Coyote writes: Slander commonly defined is a malicious, false, and defamatory statement. Slander is oral, libel is written. Posts on this board would come under the latter. AE chose the term slander: if you want to preface your post with pettifoggery, direct it at him. My point stands. Truth stands as well against accusations of libel as it does against accusations of slander.
Leaving social conservatives out of the conversation as not being real conservatives in most any respect.. And how many true conservatives does that leave you with? Do any of them want to conserve anything?
...how can you claim that, for example, small government conservatives feel to be victims? They're mostly hard-working middle-American who are just trying to stay ahead of the tax and spend crowd. It would be exceptionally tedious to search for and post quotes from "small government conservatives" who feel themselves victimized by persons of poverty, persons of color, persons of other ideologies, persons of other nations, persons of other sexual persuasions... I won't bother.
On the other hand, what I have seen around a lot of colleges is a plethora of "victims" who claim to want "social justice." And portraying themselves as victims is one of their main tools to acquiring that "social justice." And anything they claim to want comes usually at someone else's expense... Odd. What I mostly see at college campuses are young people who know they are fortunate to have the opportunities they enjoy, and who object strenuously to the denial of those opportunities to young people born into less fortunate circumstances. Of course, they do also object to the notion that they should take on $50,000 in debt to obtain an undergraduate degree, the selfish little pricks."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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ramoss Member (Idle past 634 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
That worked out well for Sarah Palin and her daughter.
And her son. His first child was born 6 months after his marriage too.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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On the other hand, what I have seen around a lot of colleges is a plethora of "victims" who claim to want "social justice." Oh, so yesterday the line was that OWS protestors and their college-age sympathizers were rich hypocrites, born with a silver spoon in their mouths but with the temerity to ignore their noblesse oblige to, I dunno, vote for self-serving tax cuts. Today the line is that they're all self-described "victims" out to seek self-serving "social justice", which, I guess, means redistributive tax hikes on the rich and greater social program spending. So yesterday it was hypocrisy for young liberals to be anything but self-serving, and today it's a moral outrage that they're so self-serving. This is reminiscent of conservative complaints that President Obama is somehow simultaneously a Chicago insider and a Kenyan outsider. I wish you morons could get your attacks straight. Don't you get whiplash from pivoting on a dime so often?
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4251 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
quote: and you spoke falsely against us. and called us names. my case was rested posts ago.
quote: untrue. I am not claiming the victim. Just because you are an aggressor, doesn't make me a victim. We run this place, always have, I was just pointing out the obvious.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
I didn't expect you to agree. We live in different worlds.
If you would like to have a Great Debate on these two points... 1. Conservatives in the U.S. consistently decry a culture of victimhood among others. 2. Conservatives in the U.S. consistently complain of being victimized by liberal media, Hollywood, government, minorities, etc., ad infinitum. ...I'd be happy to have that discussion. Otherwise, we'll agree to disagree. You have a great Veterans Day, and may you, like me, be showered with thanks from a grateful nation."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Oh, are you guys vets?
Thanks - not for "defending my freedom", which unless you're 80 years old you have not ever done, but for paying the price of our mistaken policies. We owed you better than that.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Thanks - not for "defending my freedom", which unless you're 80 years old you have not ever done, but for paying the price of our mistaken policies. We owed you better than that. I find that a pretty ungracious, and demonstrably false Veterans' day sentiment. Our service men have done their part to defend our freedom, at great personal sacrifice, even if you discount every single fighting action they've been involved in since WWII. I understand your opinion of our mistaken policies, and I even agree with much of it. But you go a little too far here.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3985 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.2
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Most vets feel their service was honorable because it was intended to defend freedom, however poorly their honor was served in the event.
Many of us, as you suggest, found the missions we were given instead a waste of blood and treasure. Some of us found a bit more honor in resisting the illegal orders of some superiors and the criminal impulses of some peers. You're welcome."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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I find that a pretty ungracious, and demonstrably false Veterans' day sentiment. You're completely wrong. What is ungracious is to send young men and women to die in countries with no capacity to attack us or "threaten my freedoms" and then act like they're engaged in some great noble defense of freedom so politicians can profit from a state of war. That's bullshit. The last war that represented even the hint of risk to the freedoms of American citizens by foreign malefactors was WWII. Every subsequent war has been in the service of treaty obligations or the economic interests of moneyed elites, and if you ask just about any vet they'll agree. I've talked to many. Plenty of men and women sacrificed much in Korea, the Gulf, Iraq, Afghanistan, and other godforsaken, benighted places that posed no conceivable threat to Americans at home, and I honor and recognize that sacrifice. But not because I benefited in any way from it. Rather, because I did not do enough as an American citizen to prevent my leaders from putting them in the position of having to sacrifice much for literally absolutely nothing. My best friend died in Iraq about seven years ago, and I'll never stop being ashamed that it was for absolutely fucking nothing. God help me, I was even in favor of invading Iraq. What an utter absolute idiot I was. We all were, and are. And that's what we owe our vets today - our gravest apologies for what we've done to them.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1489 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
And I'm sorry. A better people would not have put you in that position.
Truly, truly sorry.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You're completely wrong. What is ungracious is to send young men and women to die in countries with no capacity to attack us or "threaten my freedoms" and then act like they're engaged in some great noble defense of freedom so politicians can profit from a state of war. If you re-read what I actually said, you'll see that I never challenged the proposition quoted above. But being sent to fight and die in other countries is not the sum total of what soldiers, jar-heads, airmen, and sailors do. If it wasn't clear, let me say that we can thank our veterans and service men for sacrifices that have nothing to do with fighting in wars. I'm quite sure I made that point in my message. They protect our freedom by sitting in a silo and never pressing a button, or by spending months on submarine patrol in the North Atlantic and never firing a torpedo or missile in anger, by securing our inter-coastal waterways, or by simply training hard and keeping fighting shape. None of that stuff deserves to be dismissed as nothing. And much of it comes at personal sacrifice of the type a life long civilian might not understand. Your post is a complete straw man. Yeah, I'm a former submarine officer, but despite your disclaimer, you did benefit from what service men do, whether you deem to recognize it or not. Your suggestion that no service man had ever done anything to defend your freedom since WWII is completely off base.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2128 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
You have a great Veterans Day, and may you, like me, be showered with thanks from a grateful nation.
If you are a veteran you have my thanks, not just today but everyday.
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