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Dr Adequate
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Message 61 of 270 (641361)
11-18-2011 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 5:38 PM


Re: fraud
Yeah but there is no God or any afterliferight? so fuck it! Ima get mine. Milq da game.
I love it when liberal atheists tell me about morality. Oh the irony.

Obviously theists need their moral superiors to lecture them on morality. This is not ironic, this is kinda bleedin' obvious. Perhaps you'd prefer one of your priests who'll tell you that theft is fine and so is raping children, but if you want instruction in any subject, you should look to the people who are better than you.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 62 of 270 (641362)
11-18-2011 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Dr Adequate
11-18-2011 6:08 PM


Re: fraud
Dr Adequate writes:

Interesting. Do you consider an animal shaped like a horse with black and white stripes to be a zebra?


ROFL, haha =D.
Its good to be back while you are on here, to challenge me with questions I look retarded for answering. yeah i would probably call that a Zebra.

Your kung fu is too strong.

Dr Adequate writes:

So how is that different from your justification for stealing, i.e. that you can get away with it?

Im going to side with this Modolous guy (I know siding with the british-english can only lead to trouble, but it me so Im going to give it a try).
Its Fraud, not stealing.

Obviously theists need their moral superiors to lecture them on morality. This is not ironic, this is kinda bleedin' obvious. Perhaps you'd prefer one of your priests who'll tell you that theft is fine and so is raping children, but if you want instruction in any subject, you should look to the people who are better than you.

you didn't answer my question now. let me rephrase it: If there is no God and no eternal punishment, why shouldn't I steal, fraud, rape, and do what ever i want?

Edited by Artemis Entreri, : added quotes from post 61


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Message 63 of 270 (641363)
11-18-2011 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 5:54 PM


EvC Politeness
SIDE NOTE on EVC POSTING POLITENESS: should I respond to each and every person like I just did here, or is one big response with individuals quoted better?

Personal preference really. In general, responding to a message individually I would have thought is preferable, but if you are getting snowed under and you are saying many of the same things sometimes it might be better to consolidate the messages into one.

The only problem with one big response is that people don't get notified that they've been responded to and this might mean they miss their opportunity to reply to it.


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hooah212002
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Message 64 of 270 (641364)
11-18-2011 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 6:04 PM


Re: fraud
Anytime anyone disagrees with the OP they are a troll from your perspective it seems,

No. You have admitted, time and again, that you purposely take an opposing position regardless if it is one you agree with. That is a troll in my book. You are a troll because you revel in the fact that no one should take you seriously. Now, when called on it, you reject the troll label and wish to be called a devils advocate?

Na brosef, you're a fucking troll.


"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 65 of 270 (641365)
11-18-2011 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by hooah212002
11-18-2011 6:25 PM


the troll is in your mirror
and you are a fucking asshole.

there i'm playing your silly game now. unfortunately you don't understand the difference between what i do and what trolls do, but its your loss not mine.

I am on here discussing something with Modolus, Dr. Adequate, Phat, and anyone else who wants to jump in.

You are the one on here flaming, name calling and causing a disturbance, making off topic posts that are personal attacks against me. the 3 mentioned above are not making this personal, you are. it is something you do all the time, in MY BOOK you are the troll in this thread.


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DrJones*
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Message 66 of 270 (641366)
11-18-2011 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 6:04 PM


Re: fraud
Always looking for an opportunity for name calling.

Why is it name calling to call some one who admits to breaking the law a criminal?

God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor


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Dr Adequate
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Message 67 of 270 (641368)
11-18-2011 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 6:18 PM


Re: fraud
Its Fraud, not stealing.

"It's an apple, it's not fruit."

you didn't answer my question now. let me rephrase it: If there is no God and no eternal punishment, why shouldn't I steal, fraud, rape, and do what ever i want?

'Cos it's wrong.

Really, can't you even conceive of a morality that doesn't revolve around the possibility that you might get caught and punished?

This is literally childish. It's stage 1 of level 1 of Piaget's account of the development of morality in children: "wrong" is what you get punished for, "right" is what you can get away with.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 68 of 270 (641369)
11-18-2011 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by DrJones*
11-18-2011 6:35 PM


are you one of those French Canadians?
was that rhetorical?

do I need to explain how calling someone a name is calling some one a name.

It's all very semantic, Something I was trying to avoid till page 7 or 8, but this really is off topic so maybe it doesn't count.

Poster A: that action is criminal. (not name calling)

Poster B: You are a criminal. (name calling)

see the difference?

its about attitude, some people here (left wingers IMO) love to demonize and call other people names. its just rude. and against the rules of the site. It take much more skill, and ability, to say some is a criminal without the name calling. I get it when the others say that is criminal, or that is something a thief would do, or that is something fraudsters do. but they are not name calling because they have skills. there are those with less skills who just show up make a one or two line post, and say "you are a X". that is name calling, they are the name callers, unfortunately they are here.

you and I; and I would assume everyone can refer to an action or a post or a thought of someone else unfavorably without calling them a name directly. it's about attitude, some people are just assholes about it, yet thankfully most are not.


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jar
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Message 69 of 270 (641370)
11-18-2011 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 6:18 PM


Maybe Artemis Entreri is simply a habitual liar and not a common criminal
It is possible that you are not simply a common criminal and instead your posts are just lying and trolling.

Maybe you do not do the things you have claimed to do in this thread, that's not an unusual behavior of sad little kids that are seeking attention.

In either scenario you do deserve our pity and I hope you help from a professional psychologist and psychiatrist.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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DrJones*
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Message 70 of 270 (641371)
11-18-2011 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 6:45 PM


Re: are you one of those French Canadians?
A criminal is someone who commits a crime, you admit to breaking the law, therefore you are a criminal. It's a simple statement of fact not an insult.

God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor


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Dr Adequate
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Message 71 of 270 (641372)
11-18-2011 6:48 PM
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11-18-2011 6:45 PM


Re: are you one of those French Canadians?
its about attitude, some people here (left wingers IMO) love to demonize and call other people names. its just rude. and against the rules of the site.

and you are a fucking asshole.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 72 of 270 (641373)
11-18-2011 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Dr Adequate
11-18-2011 6:40 PM


Re: fraud
Dr Adequate writes:

'Cos it's wrong.


Yeah theres some vernacular, Id love to keep is casual in the coffee house.

Interesting I should answer your questions, but you cannot give me the same respect.

What is wrong? Are you telling me there is a God, and there is an afterlife?


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Message 73 of 270 (641374)
11-18-2011 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Artemis Entreri
11-18-2011 6:13 PM


Re: fraud
English, British you know what I meant same difference, lets not get into semantics till like page 7 or 8.

We're in a thread discussing whether an act of petty fraud constitutes stealing.

That is to say: we're already into semantics

Anyway, I was trying to draw the distinction between a uniquely British term and an English word used beyond the shores of Britain. As far as I am aware, 'fraudster' is not just a British term. I may be wrong, though.

Hustler is an American term, but it has made its way over to our culture too now. We have a show here called 'The Real Hustle' (which is a sort of spin off from a fictional series called 'The Hustle'), where apparently real people are fake hustled as a means of showing many of the common cons that are out there.

I do. You are fun on here. Ok its fraud. Not stealing.

The question is, is fraud theft? I would say that it does constitute stealing, since it is taking something you would not normally be entitled to take given your actual financial investment made.

And right back at ya, on the 'fun' front.

LOL nice try. I aint about to share the good stuff publicly on the itnernets, sorry dog , you got to figure that part of the game out on your own.

Since I already said, I professionally engage with fraudsters on a daily basis, I can assure you I know many tricks of my own. I already know how to get away with tens of thousands of pounds with only a few hours of time invested

I was once offered a sizeable series of bribes to facilitate almost legal activity (I would have to break a law with a relatively minor criminal penalty, and I knew that I wouldn't be prosecuted because of reputation issues). I'll leave it to your imagination as to whether I accepted the bribes, but to alleviate any sense that I am trying to get on some high moral horse, I was offered the bribes by a co-conspirator during another crime I was engaged in at the time.

As I mentioned earlier, I think most people would commit fraud if they thought they could get away with it. Misrepresent some material fact to get cheaper insurance, or to to claim more welfare benefit than they are entitled to. Some people simply don't realize how easy fraud is.

As one person in the financial sector once said. "If you're going to steal, steal big.". Another strategy is to do as you do, steal really small. Trying to steal (sorry, defraud ) $100k is the kind of thing that'll get you in serious trouble.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 74 of 270 (641375)
11-18-2011 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by Dr Adequate
11-18-2011 6:48 PM


Re: are you one of those French Canadians?
i don't get what you are saying here?

I'm guessing you are trying to saying I am guilty of the same thing, but I am not.

I didn't specifically call anyone anything except Hoah (who called me a name first.) I won't break the rules, but if they are getting broken, and the admin is doing nothing about it, then I will defend myself, and retaliate.

Left wingers could be anyone or it could be no one. "some people" is not specifically target at anyone.

nice try though.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 75 of 270 (641376)
11-18-2011 6:58 PM
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11-18-2011 6:50 PM


Re: fraud
Yeah theres some vernacular, Id love to keep is casual in the coffee house.

Interesting I should answer your questions, but you cannot give me the same respect.

What is wrong? Are you telling me there is a God, and there is an afterlife?

No. You can tell that I'm not telling you that there is a God and there is an afterlife by the way that I never in any way told you that there is a God nor that there is an afterlife.

Stop me if I'm going too fast for you.


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