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Author Topic:   A proper understanding of logical fallacies will improve the quality of debate
jar
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Message 25 of 344 (640844)
11-13-2011 5:54 PM


an appeal versus a cite
There is a difference between an appeal to authority and a cite of an authority. It is perfectly valid to specify attributions, but when you go one step further and assert that "because x is an authority y is valid" it is always a logical fallacy.

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Message 40 of 344 (640865)
11-13-2011 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by designtheorist
11-13-2011 6:30 PM


Re: an appeal versus a cite
I'm not sure that YOU get it.
For example, in Message 49 of the thread Big Bang Theory Supports a Belief in the Universe Designer or Creator God you consistently committed the appeal to authority fallacy but tried to disguise it as cites.
In fact what you did was several examples of logical fallacies, taking comments out of context and appeal to authority.
The appeal to authority came when you added editorial comments like "Steven Weinberg, winner of the 1979 Nobel Prize in Physics" and "Paul Davies is a physicist and cosmologist at Arizona State University. In addition to being a popular author, he has won the Kelvin Medal from the Institute of Physics and the Faraday Prize from The Royal Society."
Neither of the underlined sections were pertinent to the discussion other as "appeal to authority".

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Message 103 of 344 (641143)
11-16-2011 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by Omnivorous
11-16-2011 8:09 PM


the absurdity that information requires a designer
A core from a tree has lots of information, how old it is, what each season was like, when there was a particularly dry or wet, hot or cold year...
An ice core has lots of information, how old it is, what each season was like, when there was a particularly dry or wet, hot or cold year, when there were volcanic activities, what the air was like at a given period, ...
An air bubble in amber has lots of information ...

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Message 116 of 344 (641458)
11-19-2011 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Granny Magda
11-19-2011 1:55 PM


A question of honesty.
I would even go so far as to say that it might be possible for there to be an honest Creation Scientist as long as that scientist pointed out that (s)he believed in Special Creation despite the overwhelming evidence that all causes are natural, the Evolution is a fact, that the Theory of Evolution is the only model that explains the diversity of life we see around us and that the Earth and Universe are billions of years old; and that there is zero evidence for any Creator or Designer.

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Message 120 of 344 (641463)
11-19-2011 3:10 PM
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11-19-2011 3:06 PM


Re: A question of honesty.
You seem to be saying that you would believe a Christian could be a scientist and honest as long as he admitted he was self-deluded, is that right? How can an admittedly self-deluded person be considered honest?
Not at all. He can be honest as long as he admits that he is ignoring all of the evidence and believing in Special Creation in spite of the evidence.
But of course it has nothing to do with Christianity since most of the recognized chapters of Club Christian oppose Creationism or Intelligent Design.
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Message 171 of 344 (641597)
11-20-2011 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Percy
11-20-2011 12:55 PM


Re: Reply to Percy
Percy writes:
You use logic to reason from evidence. Proper reasoning from good evidence leads to conclusions likely to be true. Reason doesn't produce evidence. I'm not sure if this fallacy has a name, but it should.
It is definitely an error to think that just because something is logical it must be right. Reality trumps logic every time.

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Message 175 of 344 (641617)
11-20-2011 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by kbertsche
11-20-2011 6:17 PM


Re: Reply to Granny Magda
They show by example that it is possible to be a highly intellectual, leading scientist and to have strong religious faith. They don't argue that God necessarily exists, but they do show that God and science are compatible.
I don't think anyone is disputing the former, but I don't see how they could support the position that "God and science are compatible."

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Message 179 of 344 (641626)
11-20-2011 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by designtheorist
11-20-2011 7:43 PM


Relevance of changing opinions?
What does someone changing their views on something like God have to do with reality or science?

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