|
Understanding through Discussion |
|
|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
| EvC Forum active members: 64 (9163 total) |
|
| |
| popoi | |
| Total: 916,402 Year: 3,659/9,624 Month: 530/974 Week: 143/276 Day: 17/23 Hour: 0/3 |
| Thread ▼ Details |
|
|
| Author | Topic: Who can be saved? A Christian perspective | |||||||||||||||||||||||
|
GDR Member  Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
CS writes: No, you've misunderstood. The suggestion is to know what kind of people are going to be in the group, based on whether they are sheep of goats. All goats being christian does not imply all christians being goats. There can still be some christians who are sheep even if all the goats are christians.
But the passage says "all nations". It includes everyone. If all goats are Christians then that requires all non-Christains to be sheep. It just isn't there.Everybody is entitled to my opinion. 
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
|
GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
jar writes: Not at all. The division is based on individual behavior. What I am saying is that IMHO most Christians simply don't get Jesus message at all. You even support that concept when you post "I suggest that for at least the majority of Christians they would be surprised to have Jesus tell them that when they helped the homeless that it was Him they were helping. A Christian might understand the concept but I don't think we think of it that directly." The Goats in the story are shocked. The people that heard the Good Samaritan story are shocked. The elders in the synagogue in Nazareth that heard Jesus preach are shocked. The point in all three stories is that no one has a clue who will be saved, and the judgement will be based on how you behaved, not what club you are a member of, not whether or not you are a follower of Jesus or even a follower of Yahweh. As my Mommy used to say, "It ain't what you say that counts, it's what you do." It really is that simple.
To a large degree I agree and it is what I've been trying to say all along. From that quote you say; "The point in all three stories is that no one has a clue who will be saved". I agree, however You have repeatedly said that you know that all the goats are Christians. I don't think it is based on what we do. I contend it is based more on what we feel. I was brought up surrounded by love. There are many, maybe even most that don't have that incredible gift. It is easier for me to do loving things than someone who doesn't have the benefits that I have had. Still even those who don't have that gift of a loving upbringing and behave badly, for lack of a better term, can still at their core desire goodness. As far as being a Christian is concerned I do believe that if we truly accept Jesus/God as Lord and prayerfully commit ourselves to following His rule of love, that the Holy Spirit will gradually guide us towards a life of forgiveness, kindness, justice and love. That doesn't mean that Christians who actually have made a heart, as opposed to an intellectual, commitment to the Lord are any more loving than anyone else, they should just be more loving than they had been. I’ll leave it to God to bring perfect justice to all in the end. I’m not about to pre-judge.Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
|
GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
CS writes: Are you taking that to mean that the nations were seperated from other nations, but the nations as a whole were kept together? And that's why you can't split up the group of christians into some being sheep and some being goats? No. I assume that all nations means all people and the people will be separated regardless of nationality. I think this is more a discussion of semantics than it is about belief.Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024
