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Amlodhi
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Message 46 of 50 (59016)
10-01-2003 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by doctrbill
10-01-2003 12:40 AM


Re: YHVH or Elohim
Hello doctrbill,
quote:
Originally posted by doctrbill
I see this as two facets of a culture which had no apparent hang ups about the breast, male or female.
In such a cultural environment, the 'breast' etymology should not be difficult to imagine.
Indeed, it's not difficult to imagine at all. One need only look at the Sumerian pictograph for "woman" and understanding is instantly obtained.
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doctrbill
. . . by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb. Genesis 49:25 King James Version
No argument. The metaphorical connections are there.
Also, in regard to Aramaic influence, while doing some unrelated research, I was surprised to find that some biblical scholars think that before Aramaic became wide-spread, there was a "proto-Aramaic" that may have originated as far back as early Akkadian. Thus, Aramaic influence on the construction of shaddai cannot be dismissed.
Thanks for the additional research you presented. I'm going to have to chew on this for awhile.
Namaste'
Amlodhi

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Prozacman
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Message 47 of 50 (59124)
10-02-2003 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Rei
09-27-2003 8:39 PM


Re: YHVH or Elohim
This is a little late, but I just found it& wanted to share it with you. In your post# 18 you say that Baal might mean Almighty.Perhaps. According to a book entitled Vanished Civilizations,Readers Digest Ed.;see the chapter on Ugarit, Baal was worshipped as "Hadad" by the pre-Israel Canaanites. The Can's Baal was a thunder-god, and the son of El in their pantheon. A remnant of the Can,s were pushed into a corner by the Assyrians and Israelites. That "corner" is the archeaological discovery of Ugarit, the capital of Phoenicia. The leftover Can's adapted by learning seafaring ways and became known as the Phoenecians. That's where we got our alphabet!
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RebWlmJames
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Message 48 of 50 (63959)
11-02-2003 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Prozacman
10-02-2003 2:30 PM


Shaddai
I have not yet seen anyone post about the Hebrew noun form that uses a patach-aleph at the end of the lamed-hey or lamed-yood word root.
For example, p-n-h, to turn, to clear away, becomes "panai" -- free time, leisure.
g-b-h -- to administer funds, becomes "gabbai" the treasurer (of a synagoguge, thought this meaning is now defunct)
t'nai -- conditition, stiptulation.
So: if the word root is sh-d-h, having the dual sense of mountain or breast, El-Shaddai (with the aleph dropped) could have the noun "El" functioning adjectivally, and Shaddai meaning simply "the one of the mountain/breast" producing, "Divine One of Mountain/breast" -- an ancient name of a god, appropriating by the Israelites to be one of the names of YHVH.

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RebWlmJames
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Message 49 of 50 (63960)
11-02-2003 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Prozacman
10-02-2003 2:30 PM


Shaddai
I have not yet seen anyone post about the Hebrew noun form that uses a patach-aleph at the end of the lamed-hey or lamed-yood word root.
For example, p-n-h, to turn, to clear away, becomes "panai" -- free time, leisure.
g-b-h -- to administer funds, becomes "gabbai" the treasurer (of a synagoguge, though this meaning is now defunct)
t'nai -- conditition, stiptulation.
So: if the word root is sh-d-h, having the dual sense of mountain or breast, El-Shaddai (with the aleph dropped) could have the noun "El" functioning adjectivally, and Shaddai meaning simply "the one of the mountain/breast" producing, "Divine One of Mountain/breast" -- an ancient name of a god, appropriating by the Israelites to be one of the names of YHVH.
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Prozacman
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Message 50 of 50 (64201)
11-03-2003 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by RebWlmJames
11-02-2003 1:42 PM


Re: Shaddai
I am not familiar with the Hebrew language, but your idea sounds interesting. Perhaps someone else like Amhlodi can discuss this with you better than I, but thx for the comments.
PM

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