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Message 3 of 208 (642887)
12-02-2011 1:16 PM
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12-02-2011 12:54 PM


finally a drop in coverage
Finally. the Media over covered the Flea Baggers. I am glad the double standard is dying down.
good riddance.
1. What and where next for the Occupy movement?
2. Is it dying out, regathering or as strong as ever?
1. Its getting cold outside (yet warmer than winter should be, lol), they are done, the joke is over.
2. yes, it's dying out. it only really ever existed in the 1st place because of all the hype the media put into it.

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Message 5 of 208 (642894)
12-02-2011 1:51 PM
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12-02-2011 1:23 PM


Re: finally a drop in coverage
Media coverage is indisputably part of it. No political or social campaign of any sort is likely to gain traction without media coverage these days is it?
are you speaking globally or nationally? Nationally I think grassroots movements are still possible, and I still think there are examples, but the rest of your post seems to infer that is a global phenomenon.
But does that alone explain the global phenomenon of the Occupy movement?
is it? or is it just the English speaking world (something that could be generated through news media). I don't watch the BBC all the time but if there was something "big" going on I turn to them for their POV.
Is there an occupy Paris? Moscow? Beijing? Johannesburg? Mexico City? Brasilia? Madrid? Kuala Lampur? Bangkok? Canberra? Nairobi? Karachi? New Delhi? Warsaw? Prague? Riyadh? Tehran? Jerusalem?
how global is it? It doesn't seem that global, or that big of a deal to me.
So what has inspired so many people in so many places on this issue?
I think that is just the conception the media wants you to think. its really not that big of a deal.
In my recent month off of EvC (did anyone notice - Nah thought not) I spent quite a bit of time down at the Occupy site at St Pauls. It was interesting to say the least.
It's pretty tame in Washington DC. Been by there twice, just some bums camping in a park. the crowd grows at lunch time, and after work, but the "for real" serious people are maybe 20 ppl tops. All I can see about your global event is what is down the road in DC, and out here it looks like a total joke. The Steven Colbert thing on the national mall was 100 times better.

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Message 9 of 208 (642906)
12-02-2011 2:49 PM
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12-02-2011 2:37 PM


Re: finally a drop in coverage
when? during the holiday, i'm sure the numbers were inflated.
It's like two blocks from Barry's house, and it aint shit.
I'll pop down again in a few weeks and post some pictures.
yeah please do. I'd love to see the massive amount of protesters. I haven't been out there in a couple weeks, maybe as the news media continued to hype it up, more people wandered down to see the hippies (you could probably smell them from the white house). I saw it in September and was like "this is it? roflmfao, big deal".
much ado about nothing.
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Message 10 of 208 (642910)
12-02-2011 3:02 PM
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12-02-2011 2:00 PM


Re: finally a drop in coverage (pure saracasm)
well thanks for the link, though its still pretty funny.
turns out there was one in Mexico City. 250 people showed up (not bad for a city of 20,450,000 people). that sounds like a BIG DEAL there.
did you see the numbers in Tokyo? the Japanese are mad about this!
100 people out of a population of 32,450,000 (the largest on EARTH).
Wow this is a global phenomenom!?!
this thread should be under humor. it's fricking hilarious. I have to take break i'm choking on my coffee this is so funny....

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Message 43 of 208 (643131)
12-05-2011 7:42 AM
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12-02-2011 3:18 PM


Re: finally a drop in coverage
this isn't about the tea party, nice try at deflection (NOT); its painfully obvious you have nothing to add to this. so why don't you go back to lurking and hitting the plus "+" and minus "-" buttons like you always do.

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Message 46 of 208 (643141)
12-05-2011 10:15 AM


onifre writes:
Plus, the irony of pro-Obama supporters protesting the bankers Obama bailed out. And was finacially supported by during his campaign. And will bail out again if need be. So, it's like the protesters are protesting against themselves.
Yeah, comedy at its finest.
Nonukes writes:
I'm not going to explain it.
LOL, well that was easy.
Dr. Adequate writes:
You don't know that, but you do know that it's been over-reported by the media?
In the US. Yeah. Over hyped and double standards as usual. I could care less why people protest elsewhere.
onifre writes:
I accept that they're critical of Obama, but I also feel that they will vote for Obama again. No chance these left leaning OWS'ers will vote republican.
Which to me seems insane, to protest a bail out given by a president that they'll vote in again.
- Oni
Yep you got them figured out. But calling them the partisan hacks that they are is not a popular thing to do around here.
Modulous writes:
Not forgetting the 10,000 in Santiago, the 2,000 in Porto Alegre, the 1,500 in Tel Aviv, the 8,000 in Brussels, the 10,000 in Zagreb, the 3,000 in Copenhagen, the 3,000 in London, the 2,000 in Paris, the 10,000 in Berlin, the 2,400 in Dusseldorf, the 5,000 in Frankfurt, the 4,000 in Athens, the 200,000 in Rome, the 2,000 in Amsterdam, the 20,000 in Lisbon, the 20,000 in Porto, the 4,000 in Ljubljana, the 400,000 in Barcelona, the 500,000 in Madrid, the 20,000 in Malaga, the 100,000 in Valencia, the 2,000 in Melbourne, the 3,000 in Sydney, and the 3,000 in Auckland. To name a portion of the more populated protests.
I can’t decide between the grape and the fruit punch, which flavor do you prefer?
Straggler writes:
Transparency of political funding would be the first step in reforming political funding
That is why we got Barry Obama, he is all about transparency, he said so in his campaign, he is all about change and transparence. LOL I can’t believe some of you fell for that line.

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Message 48 of 208 (643145)
12-05-2011 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by onifre
12-03-2011 9:36 PM


Re: Obama Supporters?
onifre writes:
He did so because that's who were his main campaign contributers. The financial system knew what they were facing and knew which president to back in 08 that would support the bailout.
They Sure Did:

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Message 49 of 208 (643146)
12-05-2011 10:23 AM
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12-05-2011 10:21 AM


Thomas Jefferson writes:
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

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Message 51 of 208 (643156)
12-05-2011 11:09 AM
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12-05-2011 10:56 AM


LOL
of course you would support the federalists.

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Message 56 of 208 (643226)
12-05-2011 5:20 PM
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12-05-2011 11:32 AM


lol. so what? what was the cost of OWS? how many rapes and arrests, and destruction of property have there been between the two? OWS is for parasites and criminals.

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Message 63 of 208 (643314)
12-06-2011 9:59 AM
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12-05-2011 7:02 PM


non-serious mode of course, did you see how many responses i got. I know what the nerves are here, and how to touch them.
I personally think OWS is a joke. I think this thread is a joke, and as such I have not taken anything about this thread seriously, this is the funniest thread I have seen in at least a week or so. I'll totally let those serious about OWS (lol sorry its hard for me to think that OWS is a serious topic), chat about it, and I'll leave this thread.
I'll still lurk, mainly to laugh at the nonsense, but I'll be repsectful and not post anymore, I know there are some fools who are serious about OWS, and I'll leave them to their own discussion.
sorry about my last couple posts here, I...just...couldn't...resist.
just a parting shot.
LOL
Dr Adequate writes:
I shall say to you what I have said to the more cryptic of our creationist friends: it is no use you making oblique allusions to the world in your head, because since I do not live in it I am unable to follow your references to it.
If this was true then you would have never responded. but you did respond, why? because the truth hurts, don't it?
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Message 114 of 208 (643588)
12-09-2011 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by crashfrog
12-08-2011 1:13 PM


Re: hear from a conservatively inclined but not entirely lunatic person
Artemis Entreri writes:
I'll still lurk, mainly to laugh at the nonsense, but I'll be repsectful and not post anymore, I know there are some fools who are serious about OWS, and I'll leave them to their own discussion.
Alright I can’t help it. I am a renigger. I just cant lurk and give people cheers/jeers, its not in my makeup.
crash writes:
I think the bulk of the blame has to go to the professional "experts" - including the guy who sold him the mortgage - that told him, over and over again, that he could afford it, that home prices would continue to increase, and who profited greatly because that homeowner did exactly what they told him to do.
Its your money and ultimately your responsibility. To say the bulk of the blame goes on some one who sold you on something that didn’t work is both immature and irresponsible. This irresponsible mindset that you are owed a fair shake, and its not really your fault, but the financial experts is why we are in this mess. Basically a bunch of dumbasses listened to some charlatans, and now they want us to join their dumbass group by admitting we are all in the 99% group. Sorry but I come correct, and I aint part of the 99% because I got my shit together.
The whole point of having a mortgage broker is that he's not supposed to be your adversary. You're supposed to be able to trust, somewhat, that he's not trying to screw you. A broker is a middleman who tries to negotiate between competing interests. The mortgage broker who has his own agenda - in opposition to yours - is a direct betrayal of what mortgage brokers are supposed to do. And a lot of those brokers did have their own agenda - pushing homeowners into higher interest rate loans than they deserved, larger loans than they could afford, and so on.
More of the same. Blah blah blah, its not your fault, you are not responsible for your own money, its everyone else’s fault.
Here’s an idea, grow the fuck up. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, and be responsible.
Sure, but what if he thought he was preparing himself for a job? What about all the colleges who tell you that a BA comes with a significant wage premium, regardless of your major? What about all the professors who said that it doesn't matter what you study, because the point of a liberal arts education is to make you a better citizen and not a better employee? What about all the parents who told him that working at a McDonalds (or even being a plumber) is demeaning and unworthy of him, and are now telling him what an irresponsible douchebag he is because he won't take a job at McDonalds? Doesn't a culture that demeans trade and vocational school as being for... those people... share any of the blame?
No. It’s your life, and your problems. You can’t blame everything on others, sometimes you get bad advice, deal with it. The way you describe it, America is a culture of whiny bitches.
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Message 115 of 208 (643589)
12-09-2011 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by RAZD
12-09-2011 10:17 AM


Re: hear from a conservatively inclined but not entirely lunatic person
Would you put up a sign on your lawn that supports OWS? A bumper sticker on your car?
Never. Nope.
But you admit you are one of the 99%, yes?
Nope. To sit back and not strive to be a one percenter is the same as giving up in my book. The actual percentage of the 99% is probably somewhere around 10%, IMO.
And we are 100% for the OWS protest and approach to resolving social and financial injustice.
Not because we would benefit directly from it, but because society as a whole would benefit from it.
Oh you are sooooooo altruistic. I am sooooo impressed.
LOL
Do you think it is just for a CEO to "earn" over a million dollars a year, while their lowest paid employee's annual salary is below the poverty line?
Not sure. I cannot think of any examples, so is this a hypothetical question?
Note that IF the people had been able to pay their mortgages that the whole financial "crisis" would not have occurred (ie - IF trickle-down HAD worked, people would have gotten the raises that would have allowed them to pay their mortgages).
Or if people were just responsible, and not so retarded, then they would have purchased things that they could afford, instead of taking a risk, failing and then blaming everyone else.
This is why the banks should NOT have been bailed out.
I finally agree with you.
I don't expect any handouts. I do expect a level playing field.
That is just it. The playing is not and never was level.

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Message 117 of 208 (643593)
12-09-2011 12:09 PM
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12-09-2011 11:24 AM


Re: Is this the America you want to live in? that you want for your children?
It is easy to cherry pick photos to suit your biases. I can post a peaceful picture of an Occupy protest for every one of your Tea Party photos. so pictures on their own prove nothing.
Never said they did, I just found it amusing.
Obviously, from your links, you are taking this propaganda from a biased source rather than doing your own homework.
Obviously you are on that OWS kool-aid. I just took those from a google image search (I had no crazy motive other than making a joke). I am not in the tea party or the flea party. The media double standard on both groups is funny, and prompted me to post them, I find the OWS thing silly, and was shocked that so many intelligent people on here support it. In my first couple posts I was just being an ass, im done with that now.
Nice list of the aggressive tactics of police against Occupy Protesters. Curiously they do not show any wrong behavior by the protesters, just by the police.
Unarmed protester/s
vs
Police with riot gear, "weaponized" tear gas, bludgeoning tools, blockades
I guess you didn’t look at all the pictures. Still that was pages ago, and I’m off that, so whatever man.
Y’all should totally be armed at your protests, the police aint stupid, well they aint that stupid. Basically act like a peasant, get treated like one.
Now I don't know about you, but I have a little trouble reading that account without getting very angry at the police behavior.
Don’t get it twisted, I dislike the police very much. But sitting in on city hall, after you are asked to leave, sounds like a crime. Resisting arrest, sounds like a crime. I also noticed some errors in the large quote, but it is not important.
This is the kind of brutal police behavior we see in the (arab etc) dictatorships on the other side of the world, not the kind of behavior we expect to see in America.
Really? How many protesters were shot? How many died? How many were locked up and NEVER seen again?
Oh yeah, NONE. Only the truly ignorant would compare getting arrested in the US to getting arrested in an Arab dictatorship.
This is not the kind of America I want to live in, nor is it the kind of America I wish for my children.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Do you support this kind of police behavior?
Arresting people who openly and defiantly break the law in front of the police. I think I probably do support police who do their job.

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Message 123 of 208 (643604)
12-09-2011 12:51 PM
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12-09-2011 12:29 PM


Re: really?
Unfortunately, for you, your ignorance of the examples does not mean they don't exist.
Never claimed it didn’t exist if you notice at the end of my sentence there was this symbol ? that means I was asking a question, and not making a statement. I know you are just being snarky and wanted to call me ignorant, but I could careless.
versus Wallmart employees:
Wow 2001 and 2002. I am not sure which industry you are employed in, but data from 10 years ago is hardly relevant today. Somehow I am ignorant, yet your outdated example still holds true. You are hilarious.
Do you think it is just for a CEO to "earn" over a million dollars a year, while their lowest paid employee's annual salary is below the poverty line?
I am not really sure, I am still searching for a relevant example with update non biased information, I’ll let you know when I see it.
If a person wants to buy a home, and they go around to all the mortgage companies and NOT ONE turns them down, are they not being responsible in their approach to buying a home?
That is why they are retarded. I know what is in my means and what is not. If you have no idea, because a mortage company doesn’t say no, they you are either retarded, or a crook trying to take advantage of the system. Either way I don’t feel sorry for you for being an idiot, or for your scam not working.
Just because it isn't level doesn't make it right does it?
It’s just the way it is. Get it where you fit it.
So should we work to make it more level or less level?
Take care of yourself and to hell with everyone else. I don’t care about level, because level doesn’t exist and never will.
Curiously, the goals of the Occupy Movement are in line with the constitution ... " ... to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity ... " ... don't you agree?
What flavor are you drinking?

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