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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 46 of 208 (643141)
12-05-2011 10:15 AM


onifre writes:

Plus, the irony of pro-Obama supporters protesting the bankers Obama bailed out. And was finacially supported by during his campaign. And will bail out again if need be. So, it's like the protesters are protesting against themselves.

Yeah, comedy at its finest.

Nonukes writes:

I'm not going to explain it.


LOL, well that was easy.

Dr. Adequate writes:

You don't know that, but you do know that it's been over-reported by the media?

In the US. Yeah. Over hyped and double standards as usual. I could care less why people protest elsewhere.

onifre writes:

I accept that they're critical of Obama, but I also feel that they will vote for Obama again. No chance these left leaning OWS'ers will vote republican.
Which to me seems insane, to protest a bail out given by a president that they'll vote in again.
- Oni

Yep you got them figured out. But calling them the partisan hacks that they are is not a popular thing to do around here.

Modulous writes:

Not forgetting the 10,000 in Santiago, the 2,000 in Porto Alegre, the 1,500 in Tel Aviv, the 8,000 in Brussels, the 10,000 in Zagreb, the 3,000 in Copenhagen, the 3,000 in London, the 2,000 in Paris, the 10,000 in Berlin, the 2,400 in Dusseldorf, the 5,000 in Frankfurt, the 4,000 in Athens, the 200,000 in Rome, the 2,000 in Amsterdam, the 20,000 in Lisbon, the 20,000 in Porto, the 4,000 in Ljubljana, the 400,000 in Barcelona, the 500,000 in Madrid, the 20,000 in Malaga, the 100,000 in Valencia, the 2,000 in Melbourne, the 3,000 in Sydney, and the 3,000 in Auckland. To name a portion of the more populated protests.


I canít decide between the grape and the fruit punch, which flavor do you prefer?
Straggler writes:

Transparency of political funding would be the first step in reforming political funding


That is why we got Barry Obama, he is all about transparency, he said so in his campaign, he is all about change and transparence. LOL I canít believe some of you fell for that line.
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Message 47 of 208 (643144)
12-05-2011 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Artemis Entreri
12-05-2011 10:15 AM


It's not clear what upsets conservatives more: that facts exist, or that the media report them.
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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 48 of 208 (643145)
12-05-2011 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by onifre
12-03-2011 9:36 PM


Re: Obama Supporters?
onifre writes:

He did so because that's who were his main campaign contributers. The financial system knew what they were facing and knew which president to back in 08 that would support the bailout.

They Sure Did:


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 49 of 208 (643146)
12-05-2011 10:23 AM
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12-05-2011 10:21 AM


Thomas Jefferson writes:

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.


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Message 50 of 208 (643154)
12-05-2011 10:56 AM
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12-05-2011 10:23 AM


George Washington writes:

Thomas Jefferson is a silly old grouchy-pants. Did a journalist run over his dog or something?

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 51 of 208 (643156)
12-05-2011 11:09 AM
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12-05-2011 10:56 AM


LOL

of course you would support the federalists.


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Message 52 of 208 (643159)
12-05-2011 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Artemis Entreri
12-05-2011 10:15 AM


Hmm, let's have some real photographs of teabaggers.

Of course cameras have a well-known liberal bias, and cannot aspire to the level of truthiness achieved by a right-winger drawing pictures of imaginary things he made up.


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Message 53 of 208 (643169)
12-05-2011 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Cat Sci
12-05-2011 10:12 AM


You think that's working for them? It started out pretty good, but they seem to be getting more and more ridicule these days.

Again, that seems to be the pattern with successful movements, so yes, I think that's working for them. As Ghandi is supposed to have said "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win".

They've tried ignoring them, I guess you think they are at the laughing at them stage now.

Rather than all the complaining, I think the efforts would be better spent on the solution. Find some good leaders that will do what you want and tell everyone that these are who we're all gonna vote for.

That supposes that complaining about bad leaders is not a stage of finding good ones. I suggest that it is.

That's what I'm getting at: why occupy Wall Street? why occupy Wall Street?

Because Wall Street profited while the people had to tighten their belts. The question is, why not Wall Street? Because the people accepted the risk, and Wall Street accepted the profit. They are generally thought to be responsible for the financial meltdown with their reckless speculations and outright fraudulent behaviour.

It makes sense if we're talking about being pissed at the bankers, but this other stuff doesn't seem to tie into that. At least, its awefully tangential.

Follow the money. Wall Street is making a killing. The people are not. And the politicians seem to be being corrupted by all that money.

Okay, but that's not really the sense I have been getting from the Occupy Wall Street protests. I'm feeling like they're pissed that they got screwed and want some retribution, not that they're out to put a bunch of work into fixing the system itself.

Then I propose you have gained the wrong sense from the Occupy Wall Street people. I suggest you look more closely. Ever heard of the General Assembly? Working Groups?

Maybe I'm not seeing the right coverage... (no TV, just random internet stuff)

Maybe so. Have you tried occupywallst.org ? Nothing like the horses mouth, I find.

Yeah, see, this seems better to me. Actually do something, don't just bitch in the streets.

Hopefully you now realize that the bitching is an integral part of things. Anger is a tool that all movements have employed. Either way, at least you now know that it isn't just anger. There are ideas for action both within the political system and without it.


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Message 54 of 208 (643172)
12-05-2011 2:01 PM
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12-05-2011 1:35 PM


Yup, thanks for the reply. Cheers.
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Message 55 of 208 (643175)
12-05-2011 2:11 PM
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12-05-2011 10:12 AM


Yeah, they are complaining about some of the same things that everybody is, but not everybody is "occupying". Too; why Wall Street?

That's what I'm getting at: why occupy Wall Street? why occupy Wall Street?

This may interest you.

Yeah, see, this seems better to me. Actually do something, don't just bitch in the streets.

Suggestions?

What they're doing by bitching is putting pressure on politicians to do something. OWS, after all, don't get to make the laws.


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 56 of 208 (643226)
12-05-2011 5:20 PM
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12-05-2011 11:32 AM


lol. so what? what was the cost of OWS? how many rapes and arrests, and destruction of property have there been between the two? OWS is for parasites and criminals.


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Message 57 of 208 (643235)
12-05-2011 5:38 PM
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12-05-2011 5:20 PM


how many rapes and arrests, and destruction of property have there been between the two?

Well, you're talking about the police crackdowns. That's the only "destruction of property" I'm aware of at OWS - police destruction of OWS property.

OWS protesters should have been carrying guns, I guess. I noticed that when armed, racist Tea Partiers were fomenting treason and armed rebellion against the Federal government all those times, there were suddenly no police to be found.

As far as rapes go: 'Oath Keepers' Leader Arrested for Child Rape; Cops Find Stolen Grenade Launcher In His House


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Message 58 of 208 (643240)
12-05-2011 5:59 PM
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12-05-2011 5:20 PM


how many rapes and arrests, and destruction of property have there been between the two? OWS is for parasites and criminals.

Please, provide links for the news articles about the rapes and destruction of personal property. We will deal with the arrests when the cases make their way through the courts.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 59 of 208 (643250)
12-05-2011 6:39 PM
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12-05-2011 5:20 PM


AE writes:

OWS is for parasites and criminals.

I haven't personally been to the Occupy Wall Street camp. But I have been to the Occupy London camp. And I can say pretty definitively that your description of the protesters as "parasites and criminals" isn't really accurate. I would almost regard myself as one of them. And I don't think I am a "parasite" or "criminal".

The camp has certainly attracted it's share of the homeless. I don't think that should surprise anyone given that London has a large homeless population, that the Occupiers don't turn people away and that they provide food, company and shelter (of sorts). But most of the occupiers I know are educated, articulate, motivated and have busy lives including, in many cases, jobs. Many (again unsurprisingly) are young and without many of the complications that plague the rest of us (e.g dependent children). Many are students - That is true. But many do have commitments to all manner of things from family, to jobs via volunteer organisations and charitable activities. There are some permanent stalwarts. But many necessarily come and go as required.

I didn't camp there. But I have spent a fair amount of time down there over the last month or so. On days off, after work and even during work lunch breaks. I did take my kids down to the informal creche that was going on a couple of times (they loved it). I have taken part in debates. I have despaired at the sometimes shambolic nature of debate. I have been inspired by the determined effort to show that things can be done differently. I have (occasionally) been impressed by the quality and nature of debate. I don't see Occupy as the final answer to anything in and of itself. But you have to start somewhere. And this seems more effective and less violent than many of the feasible alternatives to make the same kind of point. Whatever coverage CS is talking about the fact is that the Occupiers are purposefully looking for alternatives and asking questions that nobody else seems to be adequately addressing. Maybe it will all blow over and come to nothing. Maybe it will historically be viewed as nothing more than a bunch of smelly campers making a futile point.

But I hope not.

I'm really not sure what it is you are so against?


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Message 60 of 208 (643254)
12-05-2011 6:57 PM
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12-05-2011 5:20 PM


lol. so what? what was the cost of OWS?

They clean up behind themselves for free, unlike the teabaggers sponging off the taxpayer.

how many rapes

I don't know how many more or less OWSers have been raped than teabaggers. What would be the point if I did know?

... and arrests

Ah, yes. If the police arrest them, they're in the wrong. As the Nazi said to the Jew.

... and destruction of property

You tell me.

OWS is for parasites and criminals.

Evidence?

http://maximuslibertas.files.wordpress.com/...tea-vs-ows.jpg

The point of your picture is obscure. So far as I know, Obama and Pelosi have described neither group as "terrorists", possibly because Obama and Pelosi are sane.

I shall say to you what I have said to the more cryptic of our creationist friends: it is no use you making oblique allusions to the world in your head, because since I do not live in it I am unable to follow your references to it.


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