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Buzsaw Inactive Member
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Dr. A writes: And all that time, Ruff was advising people to get into silver. So what did he know? So, speaking of proof, where's your proof of that blind assertion? You said I should prove something that I said was likely the case; not a blind assertion, but a likelihood. I said that because I simply don't have the time to research it. I'm applying common sense. You're discounting liklihoods, assuming that Ruff and his constituents were naieve imbeciles lacking the good sense to act prudently. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
crashfrog writes: I was told that its silly to think of what the conspiracy theorists say about the dollar being at risk of being stripped of its role as a global reserve currency, but, also, others have told me that indeed this is true. Just printing new money doesn't mean that the currency is debased. Increasing the money supply is only inflationary when production is at its capacity. In an economy with 9% employment or more, factories lying idle, goods languishing in warehouses, printing money stimulates demand and puts people back to work. Inflation happens when there's more money to chase the same amount of goods and services. But when people are unemployed, you can increase the amount of goods and services and prevent inflation. Currently inflation is at less than 2%, despite several decades of deficit spending and three years of economic stimulus. LOL on 2% Factoring in groceries and clothes etc the realistic rate is, conservatively, 10% and rising rapidly. quote: The last year you could take your paper notes to the bank and trade for solid silver was 1964. Just about everyting you buy today is at least 10 times higher than that period. Many things are much higher. Gasoline was about thirty cents in 1964. A barrel of crude oil was $3. If you pay $4 for a gallon of gas you are paying about 40 cents in real money. A dozen eggs at $1 are 10 cents in real money. If you are paid $30 an hour for work, that would be $3 in real money but that hour's work would buy 10 gallons of gasoline or 30 dozen eggs in real money as per 1964. Currently, grocery prices are rising by weeks and months rather than years and decades, yet they are not included in the CPI of the Obama Administration. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Straggler writes: I ask this question to all economically savvy EvC members...
Mod writes: Money has to drop in value over time, Buz, otherwise capitalism fails. I understand enough to understand that this is true. But what is a 'good' rate of inflation? And at what point does inflation become a bad thing? Is inflation something whose good/bad effects should be determined in relation to growth/GDP? Or something else? Basically can someone explain the role of inflation, what is good and what is bad, in Capitalist economics to me? Hi Straggler. The problem is that historically, it doesn't take long after something precious no longer backs a currency that the currency rapidly inflates. Sooner or later the sheeple will be sweeping it up in the streets like in Germany in the 1930s or using the brass coins for decorative purposes as in China when the old sewing baskets had Peking beads and the inflated coins with square holes in them decorating the lids. Paper notes are as good as the confidence of the public in the government's ability to control the amount of it circulated or counterfeited etc.
(abe: If gold or silver were backing the currency no politiiton could purposely inflate the system for political epediency. Precious things like gold and silver can't be eaten, but they, for sure, do not inflate.) Imo, the Obama Admin, with the blessings of George Soros et al are purposely inflating the monetary system to pay off the politically induced debts of the stimulus and to control the population by to impoverishing the sheeple. He can keep on stimulating the sheeple so as to get re-elected, or perhaps cause a global monetary disaster so as to effect the New World Order with global currency, distributing the wealth to Islamic and 3rd world nations. This is in line with the end time Biblical prophecies. It's corroborated by all of the other end time events prophesied to emerge simultaneously as the messianic era approaches. It looks unbelievable but it's all coming to fruition with Israel in place, weather changes, earthquakes, sea waves roaring/tsunamis, rapid fire disasters rise of Islam/antichrist, hostile nations gathering in the Middle East surrounding Israel , emerging one world cashless marks and numbers monetary system the New World order, persecution of Christians, death by beheading, travel & knowledge rapidly increasing, signs in the cosmos, satellites/stars in the sky, capable of falling to earth, capability of all nations to view something in one location, etc etc. Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted in context BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Theodoric writes: (abe: If gold or silver were backing the currency no politiiton could purposely inflate the system for political epediency. Precious things like gold and silver can't be eaten, but they, for sure, do not inflate.) What are the implications of the value of the US Currency if it were currently backed by gold? How would the current speculative run up in the price of gold effect the dollars value and the effect on the world wide economy? Has not the value of gold inflated? Goods, whether food, oil, gold or sugar are not currency. They are what currency is used for in commerce. They all reflect the inflation of a currency. They all have a limited supply which cannot be regulated and manipulated. Printed or digital currency does not have a limit and is not goods. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Theodoric writes: I notice you completely ignored the meat of my post.
Theodoric asks writes: What are the implications of the value of the US Currency if it were currently backed by gold? How would the current speculative run up in the price of gold effect the dollars value and the effect on the world wide economy? Buz writes:
Why is this good? They all have a limited supply which cannot be regulated and manipulated.You do realize the price of gold and silver can be manipulated. Why do we want our currency to be in a position to be manipulated by corporations, billionaires and foreign governments. I think regulation is much more favorable than manipulation. Do you have any idea of the boom and bust economy the USA had in 8th, 19th and early 20th centuries before the regulation?You might want to research US financial history and the Hunt brothers. I'm all eyes and ears. Tell me about hyperinflation and busting of the $$ in the 19th and 20th century in America. I've lived 2/3 of the 20th century and it never happened until the $$ couldn't be cashed for silver. In 1900 you could buy a solid oak dining set for around $30 and eggs for a nickel or so a dozen. Any commodity can be manipulated to some extent, but never inflated due to over supply. LOL on the Hunt brothers. They went bust trying to corner the silver market. All they did was inflate the amount of currency to buy goods, in this case, silver. They did not inflate the amount of silver as Obama & co. is doing to our once precious dollar. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Coyote writes: This is in line with the end time Biblical prophecies. It's corroborated by all of the other end time events prophesied to emerge simultaneously as the messianic era approaches. It looks unbelievable but it's all coming to fruition with Israel in place, weather changes, earthquakes, sea waves roaring/tsunamis, rapid fire disasters rise of Islam/antichrist, hostile nations gathering in the Middle East surrounding Israel , emerging one world cashless marks and numbers monetary system the New World order, persecution of Christians, death by beheading, travel & knowledge rapidly increasing, signs in the cosmos, satellites/stars in the sky, capable of falling to earth, capability of all nations to view something in one location, etc etc. Nonsense. When it comes to religious belief the capacity for willful self-delusion in humans is unsurpassed. You're deluding yourself, Coyote, denying the evidence in the daily news the past century and in the historical archives. It's all coming to fruition and you're sitting there denying reality BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Taq writes: I'm all eyes and ears. Tell me about hyperinflation and busting of the $$ in the 19th and 20th century in America. I've lived 2/3 of the 20th century and it never happened until the $$ couldn't be cashed for silver. In 1900 you could buy a solid oak dining set for around $30 and eggs for a nickel or so a dozen.
Did you see the graph in message #99? It was quite obvious that hyperinflation was much more common while the dollar was on a precious metals standard than when it was pulled off that standard. Yes, I saw the graph. Did you notice that after fluctuating the $$ stabalized again rather than inflate into oblivion as the course we are on today? That's because you could buy goods with it. Of course we can now buy goods with the $$, but less and less goods as it speeds on it's course into oblivion as the socialist despotic regime plans so as to rule us. Wake up, sheeple, before it's too late. According to the prophecies, the longer and sounder intelligent mainstream folks like you sleep the sooner it will happen. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Modulous writes: In 1900 you could buy a solid oak dining set for around $30 and eggs for a nickel or so a dozen. I'm not sure what you think this means. In 1900 you were likely earning money counted in cents per hour - a solid oak dining set could be two weeks of wages. Solid oak dining sets are cheaper these days in comparison to wages than then. Presumably because the cost of making them has dropped considerably. I know what it means. It means that the $$ was very sound, able to purchase many goods. It was a low period in terms of inflation, but a wonderful high time in the industrial revolution, prosperity and progress, beautiful victorian homes fancy oak furnishings emerging oil and energy production & rural estates, and the emerging of automobiles, advancement of electrical and media technology and air travel, etc. INCOME WAS NOT TAXED!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
fearandloathing writes: Hi Buzz,
I'm all eyes and ears. Tell me about hyperinflation and busting of the $$ in the 19th and 20th century in America. I've lived 2/3 of the 20th century and it never happened until the $$ couldn't be cashed for silver. What do you suggest? Are you aware that all the gold and silver in the world is worth less than our national budget.
see here How could we or any other country use gold or especially silver as standard? There simply isn't enough to cover all the money in circulation. The emergence into globalism makes the gold standard unfeasible. The best we can do is banish the Federal Reserve, give the coining of currency back to Congress where it is Constitutionally suppose to be, stop occupying pagan lands, support Israel for Jehovah's blessings, eliminate the income tax and reign in government size and regulative powers etc. Senator and possible presidential candidate Ron Paul's ideas are a good start. Obama should be impeached or removed from power, the sooner the better, along with his ultra liberal socialist Islam catered thugocracy. Right to work laws and enforcement of our borders are a priority. There's a lot to be restored back to the good ole days of the Victorian Era, in principle (I say, in principle). BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Taq writes: Yes, I saw the graph. Did you notice that after fluctuating the $$ stabalized again rather than inflate into oblivion as the course we are on today? It fluctuates through the entire graph. The difference is that the fluctuations are less severe after the dollar was removed from the precious metal standard. Hyperinflation was much worse when the dollar was on a precious metal standard. That is what the graph shows. Also, there are several spikes on that graph that are many times worse than current inflation rates, and these spikes occurred when we were on a precious metal standard. The most stable inflationary periods are seen during periods when we were off of the precious metal standard, the exact opposite of what you are claiming. Taq, You're ignoring my point, that the $$ was never in danger as it is today. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
crashfrog writes: The only intention of the original paper $$ was that all of it printed would represent and equal amount of precious metal held in reserve. Right, but the value of precious metal is by fiat, too. Online Dictionary
quote: Commodities are not fiat legal tender/currency. They are products that legal tender buys in commerce.
crashfrog writes: Whether you're trading gold or trading paper dollars doesn't matter, Buz. Money is just an abstract representation of how valuable we consider goods and services, and how much demand for them there is. There's literally no difference between trading paper dollars that represent fiat values of precious metal, and trading paper dollars that are themselves a fiat value. Silver will always have value for trading for paper. Paper money which has historically been swept up in streets after inflating into oblivion cannot always necessarily be traded for silver.
crashfrog writes: It could be taken to any bank and exchanged for an equal amount of silver coinage on demand. So what's so great about silver, Buz? It has, historically, always considered precious, having non-corrosive beauty, durability and commercial use. Not so with unbacked paper notes. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
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jar writes: Buzsaw writes: It has, historically, always considered precious, having non-corrosive beauty, durability and commercial use. Not so with unbacked paper notes. Sorry Buz but silver most certainly corrodes, and is very easily corroded. You needn't be sorry. It's less corrosive than brass, copper and iron, suitable in many electronic components and other industrial uses. and highly desirable for it's beauty in jewelry, flatware, decorative desirables, etc whether used as plated or solid. The base metals have historically been less coveted than silver and gold since history has been recorded. Go figure. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
xongsmith writes: One of the most ridiculous forms of value is the value of stupid rarity, like the upside-down airplane stamp or an original copy of the first Rogers Hornsby baseball card.Gold is rare. Value based on rarity is stupid. There was a Mowgli story about this called the King's Anka. Let's get away from all of this distracting stuff and move on to the things that actually help humanity Two things: there are no more items like upside down stamps available and throughout recorded history, the beauty, scarcity and durability of precious metals have rendered them desireable by all civilized cultures. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
CS writes: Actually Buz, silver is not used in many electronic components because it is so corrosive.
Actually, actually, being corrosive would mean that it is the one doing the damage I'm not aware of a term for a property of a metal for how resistant it is to corrosion... like, "Corrosibility" or something. There is no suitable antonym for corrosive relative to metals. One would have to apply a phrase such as corrosive resistant.. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes: Actually Buz, silver is not used in many electronic components because it is so corrosive. Not so Jar. It is one of the more corrosive resistant of the metals and one of the highest conductible ones to electricity. It's relative scarcity and desirability for Jewelry, etc qualifies it as a precious metal Thus the stability of monetary systems which have backed promissory notes, i.e. bills, by silver and gold. Due to it's cost, it's use is limited to specialty components, etc which warrant it's use.
quote: BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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