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Butterflytyrant
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Message 91 of 560 (644439)
12-17-2011 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Portillo
12-17-2011 9:52 PM


Re: Afterlife Surprises
Portillo,
He backed up everything he said? Atheistic regimes have killed over 100 million people. Thats 10,000 times more than all religious atrocities put together since the beginning of time.
This is total bullshit.
But I won't tell you why you are full of shit.
Since you are directing this statement at Hitchens, I will let him reply -
Cant get the second vid to link -
click here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrj6qJ-GMic
He also devotes an entire chapter to this claim in his book God is Not Great : How Religion Poisons Everything.
from wiki -
quote:
Chapter Seventeen: An Objection Anticipated
Chapter seventeen addresses the most common counter-argument that Hitchens says he hears, namely that the most immoral acts in human history were performed by atheists like Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin. Hitchens begins by saying "it is interesting that people of faith now seek defensively to say they are no worse than fascists or Nazis or Stalinists". He goes on to analyze those examples of immorality, and shows that although the individual leaders may have been atheist or agnostic, that religion played a key role in these events, and religious people and religious leaders fully participated in the wars and crimes.
Here is a link to a torrent supplying the audiobook for free -
The Pirate Bay - The galaxy's most resilient bittorrent site
I am sure you would not want to give any money to his estate and I am sure he would be happy for you to have a copy for free because you may learn something.
You doubted that Hitchens backed up his claims? I have supplied you two public debates and a book where he has done.
I don't think that the claim that 'atheistic regimes' (whatever they are?) have killed 10, 000 times --- ABE *snip* --- to be taken seriously.
The previous paragraphs statement was faulty on my part so i removed it. Dr A deals with it in the message below.
I will start a thread with this claim in order for you to defend your claim.
ABE - here it is Message 1
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I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson
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Message 92 of 560 (644441)
12-17-2011 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Portillo
12-17-2011 9:52 PM


He backed up everything he said? Atheistic regimes have killed over 100 million people. Thats 10,000 times more than all religious atrocities put together since the beginning of time.
In which case religious atrocities have accounted for the deaths of ... er ... ten thousand people? Over the entire course of human history?
I think you may be out by a few orders of magnitude.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 93 of 560 (644467)
12-18-2011 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Butterflytyrant
12-17-2011 10:27 AM


Re: Afterlife Surprises
Would you expect any of us on the science side to mock a priest when he dies?
You disgust me.
Dawn Bertot -
Is your god so fucking weak that he needs you to defend him?
You may not but these other fellas with EVERYOTHER breath, line, sentence, paragragph and other means of communication, belittle, demean, and blaspheme God
Take a tour thru this website and see if I am not correct
BTW, it is your business what you do when someone dies (priest or otherwise)and it is thier disgust and continual abuse for God that angers me. Why should they be so offended when a person identifies a piece of garbage and pience of dung like Hitchens?
If you dont believe me, look at your words above concerning God. Barely a post past concerning God where such is not the case
Why so offended Butterfly dont you recognize your own behavior when you see it
Dawn Bertot
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Theodoric
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Message 94 of 560 (644469)
12-18-2011 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Dawn Bertot
12-18-2011 8:34 AM


Your god is a piece of dung
I cannot blaspheme that that does not exist.
I can call your god a piece of shit all day long and nothing happens. Why? Either your god does not exist or it is weak and pitiful. Take your pick.
If you speak ill of the dead I will speak ill of your god. The god you believe in does not deserve or warrant even capital letters.
Why so offended Dawn?
Edited by Theodoric, : the question

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 95 of 560 (644472)
12-18-2011 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Theodoric
12-18-2011 8:40 AM


Re: Your god is a piece of dung
I cannot blaspheme that that does not exist
Do peoples beliefs exist. If your mom or sister believed God existed would you speak of thier God this way at Christmas dinner
Dawn Bertot

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Pressie
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Message 96 of 560 (644476)
12-18-2011 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Dawn Bertot
12-18-2011 8:50 AM


Re: Your god is a piece of dung
Actually, I used to.
She doesn't mention religion anymore to me, because, in the past, when she was trying to convert me, I did quote from her version of the Bible. I showed that her god, if he or she ever existed, was a very disgusting thing, just from quoting from the Bible. I reminded her of all those verses she never mentions.
I reminded her that there's a difference between what she believes her god is, and what is actually stated in her Bible. Her Bible describes some weirdo I would never trust to look after my kids and her grandchildren. Maybe she stopped mentioning her religion because I know the version of the Bible she believes in better than she does.
If she did, I'll do it again.
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Theodoric
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Message 97 of 560 (644477)
12-18-2011 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Dawn Bertot
12-18-2011 8:50 AM


Re: Your god is a piece of dung
No because they would be respectful of what I believe or do not believe.
I am not talking about their god I am talking about your puny, little, no account god.
I cannot blaspheme your god. I would have to have some sort of belief in your sky fairy in order to blaspheme it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Butterflytyrant
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Message 98 of 560 (644478)
12-18-2011 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Dawn Bertot
12-18-2011 8:34 AM


Re: Afterlife Surprises
Dawn Bertot,
your comprehension is fucking terrible.
From your reply you do not actually understand anything that I wrote.
Have another go at reading my post.
Then you can have a go at supplying a reply that indicates that you have read and understood it.
I am not going to bother replying to rambling bullshit that is irrelevant to what I said.

I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson
2011 leading candidate for the EvC Forum Don Quixote award

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hooah212002
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Message 99 of 560 (644479)
12-18-2011 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Dawn Bertot
12-18-2011 8:50 AM


Re: Your god is a piece of dung
Do peoples beliefs exist.
Peoples beliefs are irrelevant. We are talking about whether or not this god fella exists. It should exist irrespective of the beliefs of human beings.
If your mom or sister believed God existed would you speak of thier God this way at Christmas dinner
I most certainly would for the exact same reasons as Pressie. If the topic of religion came up at any dinner, x-mas or otherwise, I would voice my opinion. My family knows of my atheism because I make know attempt to hide it. I am almost certain that you or any other evangelical would take no issue talking about jeebus to a Jew during Hanukah, or to a Muslim during the Day of Ashura. The only time christians find the need to respect beliefs of others is when atheists talk shit about theirs. Beliefs are no sacred thing. Faith is not a virtue. Until religionists can grow up and realize that, true enlightenment shall never occur.

Put the FSM back in Chrifsmas

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Message 100 of 560 (644485)
12-18-2011 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Dawn Bertot
12-18-2011 8:50 AM


Re: Your god is a piece of dung
Dawn Bertot writes:
Do peoples beliefs exist.
No, they probably don't.
Dawn Bertot writes:
If your mom or sister believed God existed would you speak of thier God this way at Christmas dinner
If they were trying to ruin my life by shoving their religion down my throat, then yes, I probably would. If they were content with keeping their religion to themselves and just being decent people, then I wouldn't.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 101 of 560 (644489)
12-18-2011 10:53 AM
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12-18-2011 8:34 AM


Re: Afterlife Surprises
No, they ridicule the god you try to market.
Jesus often did the same thing.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Butterflytyrant
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Message 102 of 560 (644544)
12-19-2011 12:11 AM


This seemed fitting
I believe that is game, set and match gentlemen.

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Message 103 of 560 (644621)
12-19-2011 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by subbie
12-16-2011 6:18 PM


Re: non-issue
name calling at its finest. stay true to your liberal bias.
speaking of puerile dickheads, did you hear that Hitch died?
Hitch, you'll be missed.
by people who argue by using great logic such as Ad hominem against those whom they disagree with.
for the rest of us, you are not missed at all. Have fun in hell.

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Message 104 of 560 (644636)
12-19-2011 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Artemis Entreri
12-19-2011 3:10 PM


Re: non-issue
by people who argue by using great logic such as Ad hominem against those whom they disagree with.
If you were suggesting that me calling you a puerile dickhead was an ad hominem, you are of course wrong. An ad hominem would be, "You are a puerile dickhead, therefore your argument is wrong." I never said your argument was wrong, I simply pointed out that you are a puerile dickhead. This is what is called an insult, but it is not an ad hominem fallacy. In fact, since it was accurate, it wasn't a fallacy at all.
name calling at its finest. stay true to your liberal bias.
Given your outstanding track record here, since you equate name calling with liberalism, I can only assume you are liberal. In fact, since your quotient of name calling to substance is magnitudes higher than mine, you must be considerably more liberal than I am. Not difficult, since I'm not a liberal. But whatever.
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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

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Message 105 of 560 (644638)
12-19-2011 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Artemis Entreri
12-19-2011 3:10 PM


Re: non-issue
Ad Hominem arguments attack the source of an argument - not anything within the argument itself.
So Kim argues that "[C] El Taquito is the best Mexican restaurant in town. [P] They make their own tortillas, [P] they only use the freshest ingredients, and [P] everything I've had there has been delicious."
Art replies: "Kim is Japanese, and so we can ignore his opinion on Mexican food."
Art's response, obviously, does not address any of the reasons Kim has offered for his claim that El Taquito is the best Mexican restaurant in town - Art has only attacked Kim as the source of the claim.
From Page not found - Drury University
You really need to learn what an Ad Hominem argument is. If A tells B that the sun revolves around earth, and B answers, NO, because youre a stupid cunt!, that would be an Ad hominem argument.
If A tells B that the sun revolves around earth, and B answers, NO, you stupid cunt, and presents the evidence for his argument, its NOT an Ad Hominem argument.
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