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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 110 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
your comprehension is fucking terrible. From your reply you do not actually understand anything that I wrote. Have another go at reading my post. Hey mallethead, there was nothing in your post to me, to comprehend. it was simply a contradictory statement implying that you fellas might have the same respect for a dying theologian. Yesh right, that is going to happen So what was the overwhelming message i missed? I mean come on, the guy was a journalist, he wasnt even a trained philosopher. His arguments were 101 stuff. They put me to sleep Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Portillo Member (Idle past 4188 days) Posts: 258 Joined: |
Darwinism rewards those that leave offspring and Hitch had kids. So like a cockroach, rat, bacteria or pondscum, Hitch did his job.
And the conspiracy was strong, for the people increased continually - 2 Samuel 15:12
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Darwinism rewards those that leave offspring ... No.
So like a cockroach, rat, bacteria or pondscum, Hitch did his job. There are those who claim that God had a son. Would you say that that makes him comparable to a cockroach, rat, bacterium or pondscum? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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The other half is composed of equal portions of red and blue lasers:
I don't know nothin' 'bout Hitch, the man. All I've heard of is the #GodIsNotGreat stuff and a coupla quotes here and there. People here have said they disagree with some of what he said. What are some of the more controversial positions he's taken? I think someone mentioned politics. I don't care about the atheism stuff, what else did he do?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
What are some of the more controversial positions he's taken? For starters: his position on the Iraq war and seemingly implicit support of GWB. His paycheck came from journalism, but his rise to fame was his atheism. So, in that respect, a lot of people see him as more of a champion for the freethought/atheist movement.
I don't care about the atheism stuff Then you don't really care about Hitch. His polemic debates with religious types, his vocal opinions against all things religious, are what made Hitch, Hitch. You will notice that he wasn't "center stage" until the release of God is not Great. It wasn't until then that any of the other main players even heard of or met him (Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Dawkins). What I have also noticed is that the dissenting views of him never really came out until he died. It would appear that no one had the cojones to call him out on his controversial opinions. Yes, people mentioned it, but not in the magnitude that people are talking about it now. Now, I could be wrong because I enjoyed watching/listening to Hitch debate religious figures, not for his political views because that his what I saw him as: a champion for the "New Atheists", if you will.Put the FSM back in Chrifsmas
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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People here have said they disagree with some of what he said. What are some of the more controversial positions he's taken? I think someone mentioned politics. I don't care about the atheism stuff, what else did he do? He had quite a number controversial opinions around violent solutions. He once said we were bombing Afghanistan out of the stone age. That we should hate our enemies; kill our enemies, and voiced some general support for lethal violence against Islamists as the only rational response. I remember him once saying something like 'Want to be a martyr? Allow me to help with that.' I can't find any of the specifics now, but that kind of rhetoric is what some people feel a little uncomfortable endorsing.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
quote:Wasn't Jesus the son of god according to some versions of your holy book? There's still capital punishment for blasphemy in some countries, you know.
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4256 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined:
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the man tried to Destroy Mother Teresa
quote: I mean C'mon, MOTHER TERESA!?!. the guy was a troll. I am glad he is dead, fuck him.
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Shield Member (Idle past 2889 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
Hitchens is absolutely right..
You should read more on Mother Theresa if you really think she is such a saint.
"wiki writes: Chatterjee writes that while she was alive Mother Teresa and her official biographers refused to collaborate with his own investigations and that she failed to defend herself against critical coverage in the Western press. He gives as examples a report in The Guardian in Britain whose "stringent (and quite detailed) attack on conditions in her orphanages ... [include] charges of gross neglect and physical and emotional abuse",[77] and another documentary Mother Teresa: Time for Change? broadcast in several European countries.[58] The German magazine Stern published a critical article on the first anniversary of Mother Teresa's death. This concerned allegations regarding financial matters and the spending of donations. The medical press has also published criticism of her, arising from very different outlooks and priorities on patients' needs.[68] Other critics include Tariq Ali of the New Left Review and the Irish investigative journalist Donal MacIntyre.[76] She has also been criticized for her view on suffering. She felt that suffering would bring people closer to Jesus.[78] Sanal Edamaruku, President of Rationalist International, criticised the failure to give painkillers, writing that in her Homes for the Dying, one could "hear the screams of people having maggots tweezered from their open wounds without pain relief. On principle, strong painkillers are even in hard cases not given. According to Mother Teresa's philosophy, it is 'the most beautiful gift for a person that he can participate in the sufferings of Christ'."[79] The quality of care offered to terminally ill patients in the Homes for the Dying has been criticised in the medical press. The Lancet and the British Medical Journal reported the reuse of hypodermic needles, poor living conditions, including the use of cold baths for all patients, and an approach to illness and suffering that precluded the use of many elements of modern medical care, such as systematic diagnosis.[68] Dr. Robin Fox, editor of The Lancet, described the medical care as "haphazard", as volunteers without medical knowledge had to take decisions about patient care, because of the lack of doctors. He observed that her order did not distinguish between curable and incurable patients, so that people who could otherwise survive would be at risk of dying from infections and lack of treatment. Dr. Fox makes it a point to contrast hospice, on the one hand, with what he calls "Mother Teresa's Care for the Dying" on the other hand; noting that, while hospice emphasizes minimizing suffering with professional medical care and attention to expressed needs and wishes of the patient, her approach does not.[80] Colette Livermore, a former Missionary of Charity, describes her reasons for leaving the order in her book Hope Endures: Leaving Mother Teresa, Losing Faith, and Searching for Meaning. Livermore found what she called Mother Teresa's "theology of suffering" to be flawed, despite being a good and courageous person. Though Mother Teresa instructed her followers on the importance of spreading the Gospel through actions rather than theological lessons, Livermore could not reconcile this with some of the practices of the organization. Examples she gives include unnecessarily refusing to help the needy when they approached the nuns at the wrong time according to the prescribed schedule, discouraging nuns from seeking medical training to deal with the illnesses they encountered (with the justification that God empowers the weak and ignorant), and imposition of "unjust" punishments, such as being transferred away from friends. Livermore says that the Missionaries of Charity "infantilized" its nuns by prohibiting the reading of secular books and newspapers, and emphasizing obedience over independent thinking and problem-solving.[81] Christopher Hitchens and the German magazine Stern have said Mother Teresa did not focus donated money on alleviating poverty or improving the conditions of her hospices, but on opening new convents and increasing missionary work.[82] Mother Teresa accepted donations from the autocratic and corrupt Duvalier family in Haiti and openly praised them. She also accepted 1.4 million dollars from Charles Keating, involved in the fraud and corruption scheme known as the Keating Five scandal and supported him before and after his arrest. The Deputy District Attorney for Los Angeles, Paul Turley, wrote to Mother Teresa asking her to return the donated money to the people Keating had stolen from, one of whom was "a poor carpenter". The donated money was not accounted for, and Turley did not receive a reply.[83] Arent you always on about how you dont trust the media etc? Apparently you believe the lie that mother theresa was a good person. She wasent.
the guy was a troll. I am glad he is dead, fuck him. Ezekiel 18:23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? Edited by rbp, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Artemis writes: I am glad he is dead, fuck him. Another beautiful Christian, graceously bowing a respectful head. Jesus would be proud of you. You're a credit to your religion. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Life, don't talk to me about life.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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I mean C'mon, MOTHER TERESA!?!. Most definitely Mother Theresa. I know you see her through your catholic rose colored glasses, but perhaps before launching into a tirade, you would do well to see what he actually wrote and said about her. Ah well, that would require honesty, integrity and fortitude on your behalf and I would think myself a fool to expect that from you.
the guy was a troll Said the pot to the kettle in reference to it's color; black, as it were. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Put the FSM back in Chrifsmas
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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And where was this great patron saint, herself, treated when she fell ill? That's right: the best hospitals money could buy.
Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Put the FSM back in Chrifsmas
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I mean C'mon, MOTHER TERESA!?!. Yeah, shocking. We know, of course, that all criticisms of her are invalid 'cos she was so wonderful. And we know she was so wonderful 'cos there are no valid criticisms of her.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
This piece from Gawker sums up Hitchens' political views quite well:
quote: In his earlier years he apparently spoke out against Vietnam. On Iraq, I disagreed with him, vehemently. I respected the man for having the courage to actually undergo waterboarding and being willing to change his mind in the face of evidence. I applaud his harsh criticism of religion and Mother Theresa. I enjoyed "God is Not Great." I prefer to remember him for those things, because if his legacy was his tireless support for the Iraqi debacle and his zealous fervor in opposing "Islamofascism" (an idiotic term that makes no sense, Al Qaeda et al are not in any way fascist), then he was an idiot and a monster who approved of the murder of over 70,000 Iraqi civilians and the deaths of over 2,000 American troops for, essentially, no reason at all.The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it. - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1531 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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He sounds like he was a real tool. Atheist fan boys don't bother, I do not care in the least what his religious or non religious beliefs were.
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