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Author Topic:   Occupy Wall Street, London and Evereywhere Else
New Cat's Eye
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Message 126 of 208 (643609)
12-09-2011 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Rahvin
12-09-2011 12:47 PM


Re: hear from a conservatively inclined but not entirely lunatic person
That's the thing - he didn't.
His employees did.
No, not necessarily. Here's a real-world example from the company I work for (a small privately owned manufacturer of consumable products):
We had a customer's executive VP of sales broker a humongous contract with a big company for us to provide them with their products. It was so big that we had to bring on a second shift in the plant. He made a shitpile of money of the commission for the deal. He certainly wouldn't have been able to do it if the lowely hourly employees weren't here to run the plant. But they, as a group, were not capable of getting this deal. He was the single key component to us getting this business. We hired a bunch of new people and some of the line workers from the first shift were promotd to line operators for the second shift and got a wage increase. Everbody won, but he won more and he was the reason it happened. Nobody would have won more without him.
(We took the business from a gigantic publically traded national coporation so its not like a bunch of people had to be laid off at this other plant and then came down the street to ours.)
How much of that 10 million would he have brought in alone? With no employees? With a dirty office because there was no janitor?
There's this myth that top executives are solely responsible for the success of their companies, as if the captain of a ship actually does all the work and therefore deserves all the credit. You won't sail very far with only a captain.
There's thousands of people to pull from to fill those plant jobs and, from what I can tell, this guy was in a unique position to be the one to get this deal done. He was pretty much the whole reason that it happened, even tho he couldn't have done it without a running plant. But the people who run the plant didn't have anything to do with this new deal other than being there to work when it was needed.

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Message 136 of 208 (643620)
12-09-2011 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by Rahvin
12-09-2011 2:51 PM


Re: hear from a conservatively inclined but not entirely lunatic person
Part of what he had to build on wasn't just a bunch of bodies occupying jobs, but people who do their jobs well enough to produce a product that's good and cheap enough for him to be able to broker that deal.
I dunno, some of those plant jobs could be done by robots... we're just not that sophisticated. And, personally, I'm happy to see humans out there working.
Its those of us in here, TSR&D dept., that made sure our products matched the competitors and didn't fall apart once implemented, that are the ones that put in the extra effort to make sure it went down smoothly (we're all on salaries tho). Hell, they even got me out of the office and lab and into the field turning wrenched. No, literally, bolting shit together hooking up products. And I didn't see a dime for all the extra work I put in. But ya know, that's the agreement I have with my employer and I'm free to seek out something better somewhere else or propose my own changes to my current position.
And this has come up before. I've seen sales opportunities during my personal free time and approached the head of sales about how I'd get paid if I sold some of our products. The reply was that the way things are currently set-up, it would be a house account and I wouldn't receive any commission on it (I don't have an account set-up for myself). Or, I could write up a proposal that details the commission structure, and they could approve it and set up an account for me (I've seen new salesguys hired that had deals already in their back pocket and that's what they did: "I'll provide your company with this business if you give me X"). The only problem with that is there's already a local salesguy that covers this territory and I'd be stepping on his toes. He's a nice guy, so I just provide him the leads when I see them instead of pursuing them myself. I don't know how to propose a commission deal like that anyways. I could put all the effort into it, but then, there goes my medium chill.
I've never gotten a bonus. Ever. At any job. At my current employer, I;ve gotten exactly one raise. I have personally saved my current company (and previous employers) at minimum hundreds of thousands of dollars (one recent project we projected to save over $200,000 per year, and I was one of two people who worked on that project, and I did all of the planning and documentation and half of the implementation). I was the "single key" person in many of those cases, largely because I work in IT and I'm often the only person working on a given project. I consistently get stellar performance reviews from my management.
We estimate that every dollar saved on our end is the equivalent of $10 won in a project. But when some project manager or executive wins a job worth a few hundred grand or a few million in fees for the company, they get bonuses and raises. Including the very, very large win we recently got where I provided all of the IT support for all of our employees and subcontractors and basically made it possible for them to make their proposal.
Nobody is going to hand those savings to you. You have to go and grab them yourself. Maybe you can ammend you're agreement with the company to provide you with a percentage of those savings. You're gonna have to play hard ball. If they're unwilling, you might have to find a different company that is. But you're gonna have to do it yourself.
I get notified that my yearly healthcare costs are going up by $1000 out of my pocket, and that I'll be lucky to see a $500 raise. I work hard and get results, but the only people getting rewarded are the people who are already making six figures or more.
I don't think my experience is particularly unique.
As long as you sit there and let them fuck you and not go and make the changes to make it any different, they're gonna continue to do it. Whining on the sidewalk that its not fair isn't going to provide you with anything.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 178 of 208 (644880)
12-21-2011 11:25 AM



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Message 185 of 208 (645044)
12-22-2011 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by onifre
12-22-2011 4:14 PM


Is that Neil DeGrasse Tyson?
Yup
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/neil-degrasse-tyson-reaction

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 192 of 208 (645497)
12-27-2011 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by RAZD
12-25-2011 7:41 PM


Re: Adendum ... II
We are now seeing the movement evolve to the next stage.
I haven't heard much about the Occupy movement in the last week....
What's the next stage?

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