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Butterflytyrant
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Message 31 of 43 (640799)
11-13-2011 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by IamJoseph
11-13-2011 5:14 AM


Re: How about you read my questions and try to answer them?
IamJoseph,

Did you read the information you quoted?

Your claim -

An interesting 3rd century BCE pre-Christian, pre-Roman relic...

From your source -

Style and vocabulary indicate the writing as also originally in Greek and the date of composition of the seemingly genuine passages is about 158/7 BC.

When did 158/7 BCE become the 3ed centruy BCE?

... from an independent source.

From your source -

Eupolemus was a Jewish historian

Since when is a Jewish historian an independent source for information about Judaism?

It claims the five books were written by Moses, who introduced alphabetical writings to the Israelites, and that this was passed on to the Phoenecians, then to the Greeks.

So we have a Jew, talking up Judaism at least 500 years after the various writers put together the Old Testament.

Also, the information is wrong. Paleo Hebrew, the writing that evolved into modern day Hebrew came from the Phonecian or proto canaanie script. Greek rose from the Phonecian script as well.

Here are the sources that verify that information -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo_Hebrew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language

I have held this view in opposition to the widespread acceptance of it...

in opposition to all of the language and liguistic professionals who actually know what they are talking about.

...because we have zero evidence the alphabets came from elsewhere,

Just because you dont look for evidence does not mean it is not there. A simple wiki search supplies plenty of evidence to contradict your position.

Such a relic gives credibility to the Hebrew writings.

A Jew talking about Judaism gives credibility to the Hebrew writings? Thats like saying a born again christian gives credability to young earth creationsim.

What was the point of your example. It is from the 2nd century BCE. The time periods we have been discussing from my examples are from 1000 BCE and before.

your next point -

If we read there was a war with Egypt and the Hebrews, it is evidenced in an Egyptian stone relic, with the mention of the word 'Israel' and 'war' dated 3,500 years ago. Beat that!

From your source -

The Merneptah Stele also known as the Israel Stele or Victory Stele of Merneptah is an inscription by the Ancient Egyptian king Merneptah (reign:1213 to 1203 BC)

When did 1203 BCE become 3500 years ago? It is actually around 3200 but whats a mere three centuries huh?

The Stelle mentions a people or place named Israel. Great. What does this prove?

Also, the Stelle is in [bold]HEIROGLYPHICS[/bold].

Remember your arguments about heiroglyphics?

How come you are happy to use heiroglyphics when they suit your purposes to say that there is "mention of the word 'Israel' and 'war'" but when I use heiroglyphics they are mere pictures that are not possible to accurately translate?

Seriously?

Do you read any of the information before you type things?

Firstly, the detail of Mount Nebo is geographically and historically correct; secondly it is the first recording of this stat; the ds scrolls alone suffices here. Moab did not even have writings till relatively recent times.

So a guy in 400 BCE mentions a mountain in his writings. Great. What are you trying to prove with this?

Its a sign of insanity to keep rejecting the irrefutable.

Rejecting it? I cant even work out why you think it is relevant? I am scratching my head trying to work out what you think this proves?

You are manufacturing negations with ubsurdities. There is no contradiction that Israel is mentioned in an Egytpian stelle - the people were called as Israel; its source remains the Hebrew bible. Why twist a proof as dis-proof?

Are you having trouble understanding the English I am using? What am I manufacturing? I provided direct quotes from your message. You can look at them with your own eyes. You said that the word Israel is "only known today via the Hebrew bible exclusively" but in the same post you used an example of an Egyptian stelle that mentioned the word Israel. Do you know what exclusively means? From your reply I think you are having language problems. Are you saying that the Egyptians who inscribed the Stelle read the Hebrew Bible?

What does any of this prove?

None of this has anything to do with what we are debating about.

Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.


I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong

Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot

"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson


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Message 32 of 43 (640879)
11-13-2011 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Butterflytyrant
11-13-2011 10:41 AM


DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE.
Like millions, you are shakled with an agenda based dis-history from Europe - this has seeped into dictionaries and encyclopedia and universities as if representing true historical reality. The pursuit for true reality cannot be based on belief but demands reality based hard proof:

Where are the 1000's of Egyptian alphabetical books predating the Hebrew - or of the Greek, Phonecian or whatever else you've got - which museums? Did those nations become dispersed around the world with exiles - were their nations sacked and razed, looted and spread across the world - or are their books lost? Did you ask such questions, ponder it and pursue the actual, real historical truth for proof? No you did not - that takes more than copy and paste.

The fundamental things apply.


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IamJoseph
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Message 33 of 43 (640881)
11-14-2011 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Butterflytyrant
11-13-2011 11:37 AM


Re: How about you read my questions and try to answer them?
quote:
When did 158/7 BCE become the 3ed centruy BCE?

Its not 2nd C; once it passes the last, it is stated as the next century.

quote:

Eupolemus was a Jewish historian

Since when is a Jewish historian an independent source for information about Judaism?


Ok, I'll giver you that if you wish. He was a Greek Jew, representing what his saw around him; does not mean what he says is incorrect?

quote:

It claims the five books were written by Moses, who introduced alphabetical writings to the Israelites, and that this was passed on to the Phoenecians, then to the Greeks.

So we have a Jew, talking up Judaism at least 500 years after the various writers put together the Old Testament.


What various writers!? We know that the Gospels and Quran had many writers, and this would not negatively impact the Hebrew if this was the case with the Hebrew bible. But it is not the case as per the texts, and untill you have proof of other writers, you cannot hold that view as a fact or present it as a counter.

quote:

Also, the information is wrong. Paleo Hebrew, the writing that evolved into modern day Hebrew came from the Phonecian or proto canaanie script. Greek rose from the Phonecian script as well.

Here are the sources that verify that information -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleo_Hebrew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language


You know that the phoenecians are an older people: where are their alphabetical books!? Are you aware the Phonecians did not possess the V alphabet, this is introduced in the Hebrew? Are you aware the Hebrews did not interact with the phonecians till well after they returned to Canaan - five Mosaic books already in hand? Are you also aware the phonecians had extensive interactions in the times of Solomon, even a joint navy and commerce partnership - and that the five books were already completed at this time; the psalms completed, and the book of kings in process; the temple also standing as per the criteria in the Mosaic books?

quote:

I have held this view in opposition to the widespread acceptance of it...

in opposition to all of the language and liguistic professionals who actually know what they are talking about.



Correct.. I made this point as a clarification.

quote:

Just because you dont look for evidence does not mean it is not there. A simple wiki search supplies plenty of evidence to contradict your position.

In fact I researched it throughly and found loads of anomalies. Didn't you?

quote:

Such a relic gives credibility to the Hebrew writings.

A Jew talking about Judaism gives credibility to the Hebrew writings? Thats like saying a born again christian gives credability to young earth creationsim.


There is a hard copy original writings in place - how about factoring that in instead? The Hebrew writings are humanity's most trusted writings, proven more substantially than any other by science and the earth spitting out its proof: which other writings can match it? On what basis are you making your derogatory remarks - and boasting of it?

quote:

If we read there was a war with Egypt and the Hebrews, it is evidenced in an Egyptian stone relic, with the mention of the word 'Israel' and 'war' dated 3,500 years ago. Beat that!

From your source -

The Merneptah Stele also known as the Israel Stele or Victory Stele of Merneptah is an inscription by the Ancient Egyptian king Merneptah (reign:1213 to 1203 BC)

When did 1203 BCE become 3500 years ago? It is actually around 3200 but whats a mere three centuries huh?


The stelle is 3200, representing a war 'after' the Israelites settled in Cannan; the writings of the Hebrew bible is 3500. The latter is affirmed by the former.

quote:

The Stelle mentions a people or place named Israel. Great. What does this prove?


It proves a people and place named Israel over 3000 years ago, aligning with a 3500 year writings. Please show us an equivalent example elsewhere?

quote:

Also, the Stelle is in [bold]HEIROGLYPHICS[/bold].

Remember your arguments about heiroglyphics?

How come you are happy to use heiroglyphics when they suit your purposes to say that there is "mention of the word 'Israel' and 'war'" but when I use heiroglyphics they are mere pictures that are not possible to accurately translate?


You can use heiro to prove a case; but you cannot posit it as alphabetifcal. Heiro is picture writings; it fell away because it accumulated over 7000 images as letters, becoming unusable. The Hebrew could not use picture writings because these contained images of worships; thus it appears Moses introduced an abstract mode of writings and alphabetical books were born. There is no alphabetical book even 800 years after the Hebrew bible, based on the text's submission when this was written. So it could not have come from the phonecians. Nor could it have come from the Canaanites - this was a vasal state of egypt and both never had a shred of alphabeticals.

quote:

Firstly, the detail of Mount Nebo is geographically and historically correct; secondly it is the first recording of this stat; the ds scrolls alone suffices here. Moab did not even have writings till relatively recent times.

So a guy in 400 BCE mentions a mountain in his writings. Great. What are you trying to prove with this?


Where's the 400 BCE come from? Yes, the first recording of a historical/geographical icon infers credibility. One can almost imagine Moses standing at the top of this mountain and having a grand vista of the land before him - exactly as described in the text. You are inferring this is all myth and fable; I see loads of factual truth embedded here.

quote:
You said that the word Israel is "only known today via the Hebrew bible exclusively" but in the same post you used an example of an Egyptian stelle that mentioned the word Israel. Do you know what exclusively means? From your reply I think you are having language problems. Are you saying that the Egyptians who inscribed the Stelle read the Hebrew Bible?

I have no language problem, and your position of a relic mentioning the word Israel as an anomaly is without any credibility. The relic proves the veracity of the Hebrew writings - you failed to acknowledge this and went on to reidicule it! Who has the problem here!


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Butterflytyrant
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Message 34 of 43 (640891)
11-14-2011 3:09 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by IamJoseph
11-14-2011 12:17 AM


Re: How about you read my questions and try to answer them?
IamJoseph,

I am not going to get dragged into a new debate about all of the irrellevant bullshit in that post.

Stick to the topics. They are in the original order, are well researched and sourced.

Start with a reply to Message 16. It covers the reasons why few scholars think that Moses wrote the Pentateuch and the reasons they do not believe it was written 3500 years ago.

The move onto replying to Message 17 discussing your claim that the Old Testament is the firsy recording of the universe being finite.

Then a reply to Message 18 discussing your claims regarding the Old Testament grouping animals into species.

Then you can have a go at providing a sensible response to Message 19. Your claims that heiroglyphics do not show a recording of day are invalid and I have supplied sufficient evidence to support this. Your new requirement for a recording to be 'alphabetical' is moving the goal posts and I am unwilling to get further side tracked by your bullshit. I have provided multiple examples in full sentences where day is the only word that makes sense. I have also provided examples in cuniform. Your only attempt at refuting my position here is an incorrect assumption that heiroglyphics can be correctly translated. I have shown why this assumption is incorrect. Move on.

Try to deal with the issues I have covered extensiveky in my posts.

Avoiding the issues only shows you have no way of honestly refuting any of the arguments.


I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong

Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot

"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson


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IamJoseph
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Message 35 of 43 (640900)
11-14-2011 6:16 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Butterflytyrant
11-14-2011 3:09 AM


Re: How about biting the bullet?
quote:
Start with a reply to Message 16. It covers the reasons why few scholars think that Moses wrote the Pentateuch and the reasons they do not believe it was written 3500 years ago.

I have studied those scholars' 'THINK' stuff. They are as bogus as their previous claims of King David. BTW, are you not aware the Hebrew bible itself states the burial of Moses will never be found?

You have to impress yourself why we have no alphabetical books older than the Hebrew - and picture writings don't cut it!

quote:

The move onto replying to Message 17 discussing your claim that the Old Testament is the firsy recording of the universe being finite .


Its in the correct protocol too. The opening verse - stated before anything yet existed in the universe.

quote:

Then a reply to Message 18 discussing your claims regarding the Old Testament grouping animals into species.

Yes of course - everyone can read this in Genesis' creation chapter. Amazingly, not only are the life forms listed in their correct order of emergence, but also in the most fundamental grouping categories which seperate life forms, namely not by skeletal and dna, but by terrain and habitat. This is correct: the first thing we see between a zebra and a fish is one is a land based life form, the other a water borne.

quote:

Then you can have a go at providing a sensible response to Message 19. Your claims that heiroglyphics do not show a recording of day are invalid and I have supplied sufficient evidence to support this.


People always knew about a day. But it was designated as such, in its origination and place structure - in Genesis. Namely, it was evening and morning - one day; this means a day is the setting [not rising!] of the sun, followed by the sun's rising [Genesis]. The 7 day week was also introduced here as a special period impacting biology and the earth's environment.

I would rather discuss the mystery of the Hebrew bible - and how a bunch of nomads got it so right. This requires an open, unbiased, uneffected mind - minus the BS which has been poured into the minds and souls of the masses.


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Butterflytyrant
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Message 36 of 43 (640904)
11-14-2011 7:00 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by IamJoseph
11-14-2011 6:16 AM


Re: How about biting the bullet?
IamJospeh,

I have studied those scholars' 'THINK' stuff. They are as bogus as their previous claims of King David. BTW, are you not aware the Hebrew bible itself states the burial of Moses will never be found?

You have to impress yourself why we have no alphabetical books older than the Hebrew - and picture writings don't cut it!

What the hell does any of this prove? What is the point of telling me that the Old Testament states that no one will find the grave of Moses? CS Lewis wrote that Alice went down a rabbit hole. What does this prove? Fuck all. It is a work of fiction.

You have not dealt with (or even read I suspect) any of the facts discussed in Message 16.

Ignoring the facts does not support your position. Dodging makes you look like you have no arguement to counter anything in the post. I have provided a clear, sourced and verifiable position. You have dodged the issue. Which position do you think readers of our debate will support.

Its in the correct protocol too. The opening verse - stated before anything yet existed in the universe.

This is not even begin to deal with any of the information I have supplied in Message 17. All you have done here is repeat your position with no actual evidence to support it. I have provided a clear, sourced and verifiable position. You have repeated your claim with no supporting evidence. Which position do you think readers of our debate will support.

Yes of course - everyone can read this in Genesis' creation chapter. Amazingly, not only are the life forms listed in their correct order of emergence, but also in the most fundamental grouping categories which seperate life forms, namely not by skeletal and dna, but by terrain and habitat. This is correct: the first thing we see between a zebra and a fish is one is a land based life form, the other a water borne.

This is not even begin to deal with any of the information I have supplied in Message 18. All you have done here is repeat your position with no actual evidence to support it. You have even included some additional information that you claim is correct (without any sources to verify) that are actually incorrect. It shows that you have not even read the post I provided. I have provided a clear, sourced and verifiable position. You have repeated your claim with no supporting evidence with the addition of some new incorrect information. Which position do you think readers of our debate will support.

People always knew about a day. But it was designated as such, in its origination and place structure - in Genesis. Namely, it was evening and morning - one day; this means a day is the setting [not rising!] of the sun, followed by the sun's rising [Genesis]. The 7 day week was also introduced here as a special period impacting biology and the earth's environment.

This is not even begin to deal with any of the information I have supplied in Message 19. All you have done here is repeat your position with no actual evidence to support it. You have narrowed your position to define day to be a new definition of the word that is different to the standard definition. You cant just change the definition of a word to suit your own position. The information you have supplied with regards to 'week' is ridiculous. How does the 7 day week impact on biology or the environment? How did biology or the environment change with the introduction of the 7 day week? I have provided a clear, sourced and verifiable position. You have repeated your claim with no supporting evidence and tacked on some claims that are ridiculous. Which position do you think readers of our debate will support.

I would rather discuss the mystery of the Hebrew bible - and how a bunch of nomads got it so right. This requires an open, unbiased, uneffected mind - minus the BS which has been poured into the minds and souls of the masses.

If you no longer wish to debate this matter, then post a message advising you no longer wish to be involved in this debate. This does not mean you are conceding, it just means you no longer wish to discuss the issue. I am certainly not going to attempt to force you to keep debating about it. This is a public debate site, you dont have to debate if you dont want to.

I dont care about the Hebrew Bible enough to discuss its mystery. And this thread is not a biblical thread. Start a new thread in the biblical side and I am sure you will find someone happy to discuss these mysteries.


I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong

Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot

"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson


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IamJoseph
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Message 37 of 43 (640934)
11-14-2011 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Butterflytyrant
11-14-2011 7:00 AM


Re: How about biting the bullet?
I do not want to debate this anymore. Clearly, I lost.
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Butterflytyrant
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Message 38 of 43 (641005)
11-15-2011 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by IamJoseph
11-14-2011 2:02 PM


Re: How about biting the bullet?
IamJopesh,

Hmmm. you admitted defeat. let me see if I can find the message where you did that. Oh yeah, it right above this one. what does it say?

I do not want to debate this anymore. Clearly, I lost.

Then, less than 24 hours later in Message 274 you post this -

You have also lost the debate of the Hebrew bible being the first alphabetical book; that the universe being finite was introduced in Genesis, and that Evolution is a bad rip off from the creation chapter in Genesis.

wow.

lets have a look at your claim.

1. First alphabetical book

Not one of the debate topics and as such was not discussed. How did you win a debate about an issue that was not even discussed?

2. The universe being finite

My position is outlined extensively with plenty of verifiable sources in Message 17. Total replies from you in support of your position or refuting my position - 0. How did you win a debate where you have not supplied a single word in response to the opposing position? You have not supplied a single word supporting your position.

3. Evolution is a bad rip off from the creation chapter in Genesis.

This is not a claim that was made thus was not debated. A similar subject was debated "The Hebrew Bible is the first listing of life form groups [species]". I supplied an extensive, well sourced discussion here in Message 18. Total replies from you in support of your position or refuting my position - 0. How did you win a debate where you have not supplied a single word in response to the opposing position? You have not supplied a single word supporting your position.

So, total posts supplied by you in support of positions you mentioned in that quote that were actually debated = ZERO

I know you think you are a great debater, but how exactly did you win a debate about some subjects not discussed and some subjects where you have not said one word?

And how can you claim to have won a debate that less than 24 hours before you have admitted that you have lost and have chosen to no longer attempt to support your position?

Is being an intellectually dishonest liar a description you are happy to have cultivated?

Isnt there something in your faith that frowns upon being a liar?

Do you think anyone reading your lunacy actually believes what you say?

When you develop a reputation for being a liar (and mentally ill to boot) people will know that they don't have to take your rantings seriously.

Are you aware of this?

As soon as people see the name IamJoseph as the author of a post they know that the contents will be bullshit.

The biggest danger is that one day you may have something worth hearing to say and no one will bother listening.

People see your name on the top of a post and think 'oh, its IamJoseph the lunatic' or 'IamJoseph the liar' or even 'IamJoseph the charlatan'.

They know that, while reading your posts can be entertaining (in the same way as poking an ulcer in your mouth is entertaining), they know that they contain no substance.

now take all of your clothes off, get your 'the end is nigh' sandwich board on and go scream unintelligible nonsence at strangers.

Your public awaits.

Edited by Butterflytyrant, : No reason given.


I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong

Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot

"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson


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RCS
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Message 39 of 43 (644990)
12-22-2011 6:36 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by IamJoseph
09-29-2011 1:08 AM


Re: How about you read my questions and try to answer them?
What is the Hindu bible that confirms biblical creation?
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Message 40 of 43 (644993)
12-22-2011 7:40 AM
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12-22-2011 6:36 AM


Re: How about you read my questions and try to answer them?
Hm. How come I get emails if I'm banned - which was without any notice either? Its a malfunction.
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Message 41 of 43 (645011)
12-22-2011 11:01 AM
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Restricted Thread
RCS,

This is a Great Debate thread between Butterflytyrant and IamJoseph Only.

Please do not participate in this thread.

Thanks
AdminPD


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Butterflytyrant
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Message 42 of 43 (645291)
12-25-2011 2:05 AM
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12-22-2011 11:01 AM


Re: Restricted Thread
Admins,

I am happy to open this up to any other who want to discuss any of the claims.

I dont think that IamJoseph is interested in attempting to defend his claims.

Some of the information is interesting to discuss and I am happy to share my research for others interested.

cheers,

BT


I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong

Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot

"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson

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Message 43 of 43 (645338)
12-26-2011 8:45 AM
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12-25-2011 2:05 AM


Still A Restricted Thread
This thread isn't a good one to open up to the membership since it is a specific call out to IAJ.

If the discussion has sparked a possible new topic, then present it in the PNT, but not as a call out to IAJ.

Thanks
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