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herebedragons
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Message 41 of 235 (646859)
01-06-2012 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Anel Vadren
01-06-2012 12:57 AM


First thing I noticed when I went to the site was that on the link bar at the top, the first link was "home" and the next was "store" where you can buy t-shirts, hats and "question evolution!" bumper stickers and coffee cups to help get the message out that evolution is bogus. Great, that should be a big help.
They also have some helpful tips for creationists and their anti-evolution efforts by suggesting some arguments you should not be using. here are some good ones (pay attention! this may be helpful)
1. NASA computers, in calculating the positions of planets, found a missing day and 40 minutes, proving Joshua’s long day and Hezekiah’s sundial movement of Joshua 10 and 2 Kings 20.
2. If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes today?
3. Women have one more rib than men.
4. There are no beneficial mutations.
5. Evolution is just a theory.
6. Laminin: an amazing look at how Jesus is holding each of us together.
7. There are no transitional forms.
8. Creationists believe in microevolution but not macroevolution.
And finally for the evolutionist to help you better argue your position thy also have some helpful tips.
quote:
I could almost write a ‘how-to’ manual for the anticreationist lobby, including:
Make sure you get the words ‘flat earth’ in there somewhere. Who cares that the whole idea that early Christians believed in a flat earth is a mythmost people don’t know that, and you’ll have made an impact with that little sound bite alone.
Then there’s that old standby; just get in a phrase like, The fact of evolution. It’ll hit home, and the creationist will need many sentences to refute those four words.
Oh, and don’t forget to sprinkle in punchy ‘links’ between the science and technology people enjoy today, and evolution. So their lifestyle will seem under threat. You know, make sure you get words like the benefits of modern science into the same sentence as evolution.
And if you don’t get a chance to say anything else, ensure you say something like: Do we really want these people dragging us back to the dark ages? That one works a treat
Thanks for the discussion Jimmy, it was very helpful!
HBD
ABE: I wanted to add one more argument not to use
quote:
Many of Carl Baugh’s creation ‘evidences’. Sorry to say, we think that he’s well meaning but that he unfortunately uses a lot of material that is not sound scientifically. So we advise against relying on any ‘evidence’ he provides, unless supported by creationist organisations with reputations for Biblical and scientific rigour.
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Edited by herebedragons, : It just made me laugh

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herebedragons
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Message 60 of 235 (646937)
01-07-2012 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Dr Adequate
01-06-2012 11:36 PM


They are right in that no one should be using those arguments and yet there seems to be quite a few who just haven't got the memo yet. Next time someone says "Evolution is just a theory" for example, just direct them to their own propaganda.
HBD

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herebedragons
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Message 129 of 235 (647140)
01-08-2012 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by Modulous
01-08-2012 7:13 AM


Re: poor form indeed
Absolutely the best response yet! Cheers!
HBD

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herebedragons
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Message 158 of 235 (647754)
01-11-2012 7:48 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Coyote
01-10-2012 11:00 PM


Re: So where did little Jimmy go?
Nice response, but I think you are wasting your time. It was obvious from the beginning he had no intention of debating or learning. I came on here a year or so ago "questioning evolution", but I came to find out what people actually believed and why people believed evolution to be true. And I learned. I still question evolution, but more from the perspective of understanding and learning. There are still things about the ToE I don't completely buy into, but I take them piece by piece and found out what the evidence truly tells me.
Obviously little Jimmy has no such intent. It is just so hard and takes a lot of time to actually read and understand scientific journals such as you listed. Easier to just get your information prepackaged to say what you want it to say.
HBD

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herebedragons
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Message 165 of 235 (647996)
01-12-2012 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by New Cat's Eye
01-11-2012 4:37 PM


Re: So where did little Jimmy go?
Start a New Topic!
Ok.
Message 1
and
Message 43
We'll set you straight
Not so much "set me straight" as I am not arguing against evolution. I am just trying to make sense of some things that just don't seem straight forward to me. In the posts I linked above I am trying to apply what I have learned about how observed evolution works to the fossil record of evolution. Unfortunately, not a whole lot of response (not as active a topic as little Jimmy's). Maybe you can provide some insight to my questions?
HBD

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