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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Mr J writes: And if we look at the 'how' question aswell... "Why do birds fly south in winter?" Why do birds fly south in winter?
The primary motivation for migration appears to be food; for example, some hummingbirds choose not to migrate if fed through the winter. Also, the longer days of the northern summer provide extended time for breeding birds to feed their young. This helps diurnal birds to produce larger clutches than related non-migratory species that remain in the tropics. As the days shorten in autumn, the birds return to warmer regions where the available food supply varies little with the season. (from wiki) How do birds fly south in winter?
Navigation is based on a variety of senses. Many birds have been shown to use a sun compass. Using the sun for direction involves the need for making compensation based on the time. Navigation has also been shown to be based on a combination of other abilities including the ability to detect magnetic fields (magnetoception), use visual landmarks as well as olfactory cues. (from wiki) Both questions answered by science.Neither question answered by religion. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes: Which aspect of the hammer do you think is not able to be scientifically studied and explained? Sure we can study how a hammer is made, but the process is not the hammer. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes: Perhaps you could clearly identify which aspect of the object (that we will call 'hammer') is unable to be investigated by science? I'm saying that no matter how much you study the hammer it is still not the hammer itself. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes: Science can investigate all (which by definition includes your preference) but it can't investigate your preference...
You can investigate all you want but it will still not be the preference itself. jar writes: Science can investigate the hammer, but it can't investigate the hammer...
You can investigate the hammer all you want but it will still never be the hammer itself. jar writes: Science can investigate love (which by definition includes the experience of love) but it can't investigate the experience of love... You can investigate love all you want but it will never be the experience itself. Each explanation you have provided contradicts each itself.Perhaps you could clearly identify which aspect of any of your examples is unable to be investigated by science? If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes: But since we can stimulate those sensations by altering the brain chemistry - clearly they do. No, the neurons do not cause love, honor, faith, beauty, God ...If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes:
That is because you refuse to look: and I still see no evidence that science can explain why I think something.quote:Hiding from reality is not conducive to an accurate understanding of it. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes: Sorry but knowing the process and mechanics does explain the question which is "why I think something". Sorry but knowing the process and mechanics does not explain the question which is "why I think something". I can even produce examples of chemicals affecting people's preferences, but I know that you "do not try to reconcile those things". Your baseless assertion is not supported by any evidence.And your refusal to confront conflicting evidence is indicative of cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes: And it tells you why. No, it tells me how I think something. Your preferences are not separate from the physical world - they are part of your brain.What happens to your brain affects your preferences. If you had a car crash and damaged specific parts of your brain you could spend the rest of your life loving Justin Bieber's music."Why do you love Justin Bieber's music?" "Because I had a car crash and got brain damage." Science can study and identify the how and the why. Your arguments have rapidly drifted into little more than a feeble repetition of "Nuh-uh!"This convinces me that you are unable to substantiate your claim. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Chuckles writes: Why do paedophiles like touching children? Why do monkeys like bananas? Maybe because God caused it to be that way... Maybe because God caused it to be that way...If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Chuckles writes: Was your explanation not good enough? Feel free tho, to answer why monkeys like bananas.I thought you were advocating god as the reason - but if you want to retract that, then fine. If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Chuckles writes: No, not often. I don't follow? {abe}So, to clarify your first statement: Which of these is correct... 1) God causes only monkeys to like bananas. 2) God causes all things to like bananas. 3) God causes only monkeys to like the things they prefer. 4) God causes all things to like all the things they prefer. Which one of those do you agree with? Edited by Panda, : No reason given.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
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Edited by Panda, : deleted my snarkIf I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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Panda Member (Idle past 3713 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Dr A writes: It was a reference to Sherlock Holmes. But I still have no idea what you're talking about.But it didn't actually make sense. I think Chuckles was trying to be clever - but that is not one of his strengths.If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
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