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Topic: Modern Civics
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Jon
Member Posts: 3682 From: Minnesota, U.S.A. Joined: 12-29-2005 Member Rating: 7.8
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Re: José the Well-Informed Voter
| Something needs to change. This is my proposal...what's yours? |
I already offered it. Seriously, if you think you local voters aren't informed enough, then get off your lazy fucking ass and inform them. | The difference I see is that it doesn't try and tell you what to think, it merely gives you the data at hand and lets you make your own decisions about it. |
Do you think it would be appropriate for me to post a sign at the polls advertising my political philosophy? | I think my proposal is less of an impediment to voting than the new law in WI that requires a state-issued ID card. If you can't make it down to the DMV, I guess you're not good enough to vote. |
And I think that such a requirement is ridiculous. Jon Edited by Jon, : coding
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caffeine
Member Posts: 786 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: 10-22-2008 Member Rating: 10.0
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Re: Perfectly Informed
| Nobody wants a free democracy. |
Well, that's demonstrably untrue. What about Jon? | And even if they did, there'd still be limits on who is allowed to vote. |
Unless you're talking about the trivial cases of children and foreigners this is also not true. There are countries where literally everyone else can vote (with the small exception of those recently convicted of electoral fraud).
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Jon
Member Posts: 3682 From: Minnesota, U.S.A. Joined: 12-29-2005 Member Rating: 7.8
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Message 168 of 236 (648127)
01-13-2012 11:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 167 by caffeine
01-13-2012 4:13 AM
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Re: Perfectly Informed
| Well, that's demonstrably untrue. What about Jon? |
I think folk railing against free democracy need to realize that just because a democracy is a free one, doesn't mean that every imaginable decision gets put to a public vote. As in our own democracy, for example, representatives, elected and not, make almost all of the decisions. Some localities and states differ, but for many, the number of decisions that actually get voted on by the people make up a very very slim minority of all the decisions that end up getting made. And I am actually in favor of limiting this even further. Jon
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Phat
Member Posts: 6572 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 4.0
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Message 169 of 236 (648128)
01-13-2012 11:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 168 by Jon
01-13-2012 11:04 AM
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Re: Perfectly Informed
| Jon writes: And I am actually in favor of limiting this even further. |
What on earth for? I think that we all should be able to decide by computer...since most of us now have one.
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Jon
Member Posts: 3682 From: Minnesota, U.S.A. Joined: 12-29-2005 Member Rating: 7.8
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Message 170 of 236 (648133)
01-13-2012 11:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 169 by Phat
01-13-2012 11:12 AM
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Re: Perfectly Informed
| What on earth for? I think that we all should be able to decide by computer...since most of us now have one. |
Huh? What is this a reply to? And how can all make a decision when only most have access to the tool necessary for making that decision? Jon
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frako
Member Posts: 1974 From: slovenija Joined: 09-04-2010
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Message 171 of 236 (648138)
01-13-2012 11:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 170 by Jon
01-13-2012 11:27 AM
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Re: Perfectly Informed
| Huh? What is this a reply to? And how can all make a decision when only most have access to the tool necessary for making that decision? |
Well the process should not be limited soly to the computer. Or have public libraries where everyone can use a computer.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
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Jon
Member Posts: 3682 From: Minnesota, U.S.A. Joined: 12-29-2005 Member Rating: 7.8
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Message 172 of 236 (648139)
01-13-2012 11:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 171 by frako
01-13-2012 11:51 AM
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Re: Perfectly Informed
| Well the process should not be limited soly to the computer. Or have public libraries where everyone can use a computer. |
Certainly electronic versus paper is not the ultimate of discussions in terms of civics... is it? Jon
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Artemis Entreri 
Suspended Member (Idle past 173 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: 07-08-2008
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Message 173 of 236 (648140)
01-13-2012 11:55 AM
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Civics Side note:
Happy Birthday guys.You are still remembered and loved in Virginia.
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crashfrog
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Re: Civics Side note:
Cowards, all. In a just world every Confederate traitor would lie in an unmarked grave, these two monsters especially. The existence of even a single Confederate war memorial is an affront to any decent person.
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Artemis Entreri
Suspended Member (Idle past 173 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: 07-08-2008
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Message 175 of 236 (648144)
01-13-2012 12:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 174 by crashfrog
01-13-2012 12:00 PM
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Re: Civics Side note:
LOL @ ignorant yankees
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crashfrog
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Re: Civics Side note:
Fuckin' rednecks. Take down your stars and bars, get a job, quit fucking your cousins, and start brushing your teeth.Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.
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NoNukes
Member Posts: 3327 From: Central NC USA Joined: 08-13-2010 Member Rating: 9.0
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Message 177 of 236 (648150)
01-13-2012 12:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 174 by crashfrog
01-13-2012 12:00 PM
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Re: Civics Side note:
This isn't the way the three billy goats gruff handled a similar situation.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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Perdition
Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 1580 From: Wisconsin Joined: 05-15-2003
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Message 178 of 236 (648152)
01-13-2012 12:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 166 by Jon
01-12-2012 7:36 PM
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Re: José the Well-Informed Voter
Your solution for making sure voters are aware of what the resolution they're voting on this year means, is to send all of them back to elementary school? Strange idea. | Seriously, if you think you local voters aren't informed enough, then get off your lazy fucking ass and inform them. |
I believe that's what I'm trying to do. | Do you think it would be appropriate for me to post a sign at the polls advertising my political philosophy? |
Are you on the ballot? If so, sure, as long as your opponent has the same ability. If you're not, no, because it matters not a whit. | And I think that such a requirement is ridiculous. |
Well, good, we agree on something.
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Panda
Member Posts: 2605 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010 Member Rating: 8.6
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Message 179 of 236 (648153)
01-13-2012 12:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 176 by crashfrog
01-13-2012 12:22 PM
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Re: Civics Side note:
| CF writes: and start brushing your tooth. |
Fixed that for ya!
If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue
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Artemis Entreri
Suspended Member (Idle past 173 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: 07-08-2008
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Message 180 of 236 (648155)
01-13-2012 12:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 176 by crashfrog
01-13-2012 12:22 PM
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Re: Civics Side note:
thanks for proving my point, yankee.
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