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Author Topic:   Does science ask and answer "why" questions?
Chuck77
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Message 211 of 353 (647937)
01-12-2012 6:15 AM


Why do monkeys like bananas?
Maybe because God caused it to be that way...
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Chuck77
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Message 213 of 353 (647939)
01-12-2012 6:29 AM
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01-12-2012 6:27 AM


Whhatever floats your boat man. Wierd...i'm not sure how you get that from bananas but ok...
Feel free tho, to answer why monkeys like bananas.
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Chuck77
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Message 215 of 353 (647941)
01-12-2012 6:34 AM
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01-12-2012 6:32 AM


I don't follow?

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Chuck77
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Message 217 of 353 (647943)
01-12-2012 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by Panda
01-12-2012 6:42 AM


panda writes:
Which of these is correct...
1) God causes only monkeys to like bananas.
2) God causes all things to like bananas.
3) God causes only monkeys to like the things they prefer.
4) God causes all things to like all the things they prefer.
Which one of those do you agree with?
So this is how you think science goes about answering the "why" questions?
By proceeding to ask a series of multiple choice questions?

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Chuck77
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Message 229 of 353 (648061)
01-13-2012 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 220 by Straggler
01-12-2012 7:35 AM


Straggler writes:
No. But it is a way of clarifying your position regarding the burning issue of banana preferences in monkeys.
Burning issue? Sorry Straggler. Feel free to bypass this if it doesn't interest you. Really bro, feel free if it doesn't meet your expectations.
So which of the 4 options do you think best fits your position regarding preferences and from whence they are derived?
Which position? The burning banana position?
My position as far as the burning issue of the banana is just an example of God providing for His Creation. Like the Koala and eucalyptus leaves.
Can Science answer why the Koala is drawn to this tree? And don't let Taq fool you with all his mumbo jumbo about brain chemistry and all that blah blah blah...
Monkeys aren't sitting around going "you know other monkey, I actually feel better now having eaten that banana". "Yeah other monkey, MEEE TOOO".
*giggles at Taq*
Yep, they just like them, you know why? Because God supplied it for them.
You know why koalas like eucalyptus leaves? No, not because Taq said it's gives them goosebumps, but because God...provided it for them.
Why? Because God loves His creation.
Leave it to Science to say the leaves and the koala met by chance.
*giggles at Taq*
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Chuck77
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Message 246 of 353 (648218)
01-14-2012 2:09 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by Straggler
01-13-2012 7:34 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Straggler writes:
Is god responsible for all the preferences of all living things or just those that you choose to assign to him?
The concept yes, but not all. After the fall of man things went haywire. The good things he is.
Is god responsible for the sexual preferences of paedophiles?
No, He's not. That would be satan.
Gosh Chuck why would anyone consider evidence based answers when we can invoke all sorts baselessly conceived purposes derived from equally baselessly conceived entities?
Maybe my "whys" are messed up. Which "why" questions are we talking about?
Why is the sky blue? I think there is some sort of explanation for that or something to do with reflection of the ocean. Why is there a sky? Because God created it.
Why questions can;t be only explained thru science. Why questions lead to more why's.

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Chuck77
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Message 248 of 353 (648221)
01-14-2012 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by Dr Adequate
01-14-2012 2:13 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Actually that comment was for Straggler but he wont mind. You seem bored so i'll entertain you for a few more minutes.
Then before you can attribute monkeys' desire for bananas to God, you first have to establish that it's a good thing.
Yes, bananas are good for you.
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Chuck77
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Message 250 of 353 (648224)
01-14-2012 2:40 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Dr Adequate
01-14-2012 2:26 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
But is it good that monkeys should eat bananas? Perhaps it's sinful. How would we know?
Because sin procuces ill effects. Bananas are not causing harm to monkeys who eat them.

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Chuck77
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Message 252 of 353 (648228)
01-14-2012 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 251 by Dr Adequate
01-14-2012 2:51 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
What are the ill-effects of wearing mixed fabrics? Or picking up sticks on Saturday? Or sitting on a menstruating woman's bed but not subsequently sacrificing a dove?
The penalty for disobeying God's Laws back then could be a lot of things.
Although, I thought we were talking about bananas? Would you like to discuss OT laws instead?

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Chuck77
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Message 254 of 353 (648230)
01-14-2012 3:56 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Dr Adequate
01-14-2012 3:03 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
So if people start stoning monkeys to death for eating bananas, will it become a sin? After all, it will then be bad for them.
Why would anyone do that? We're you out on Baker St tonight?
Well apparently before I can understand why monkeys eat bananas, I first have to understand the will of God
It's not so much a stretch that God supplied bananas for monkeys. No need to try to find Gods will for that. It's quite simple. Yet you are all over the place. Care to focus on one thing at a time?

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Chuck77
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Message 256 of 353 (648232)
01-14-2012 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Tangle
01-14-2012 3:57 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Yesterday I was bitten by a cat flea. It sucked my blood and presumably was good for it so that would be God's will?
I really can't say. Have you been praying to be bitten by one? Did it save your life? Maybe you should PM me and we can go from there. This is kind of off topic. Or go to the chat thread.
But it made a large red, itchy swelling appear on my leg which could cause septicaemia and kill me.
Holy cow bro. I would definitly call a doctor or get to an ER. I'm not sure why you are actually asking or telling me about it. Strange. Get to the doctor man.
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Chuck77
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Message 257 of 353 (648233)
01-14-2012 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Tangle
01-14-2012 3:57 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Tangle writes:
If so, God's will resulted in a Satanic outcome. Have I got this right?
I have no idea man. Maybe we can take this to the faith and belief forums? We are discussing is it science here. Trying to get to the bottom of what reality is.
I hope you are ok tho regarding the bite.
The thing I was actually talking about (unrelated to flea bites) was about God supplying for his creation. Did you want to comment on my banana analogy?
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Chuck77
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Message 259 of 353 (648235)
01-14-2012 4:13 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by Dr Adequate
01-14-2012 4:08 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
In order to assert with justification that "God supplied bananas for monkeys" it would indeed be necessary to know God's will, since that would be the subject about which you would be making assertions.
No I mean it's obvious it is Gods will for the monkey to enjoy bananas. What do you see from them eating bananas that it wouldn't be?
Does this "one thing" have anything to do with Baker Street?
I'm not sure yet. We'll see from the next couple of your posts.

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Chuck77
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Message 262 of 353 (648238)
01-14-2012 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by Tangle
01-14-2012 4:33 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Tangle writes:
If god provided the banana for the monkey then he also provided my blood for the flea didn't he?
Of course not. The banana analogy is good. It benefits both parties. You can see God's hand in it.
I can't just from what you are telling me know if it was Gods will for the flea to bite you. What is your opinion of it?
There are a set of laws already in place that occur in nature everyday. Your situation my be unique and not measurable by the Laws of nature. Some things you have to explore.
I would say if it could kill you it is not Gods will.
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Chuck77
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Message 263 of 353 (648240)
01-14-2012 4:41 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by Dr Adequate
01-14-2012 4:33 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Clearly God's will is not always readily apparent. Hence, just because I see the monkeys enjoying bananas doesn't mean that I can conclude that God wanted them to do so, it could be a Satanic corruption of God's plan whereby the Evil One tempted them to eat the Bananas Of Sin.
Oh ok, I see now. No it's not always readily apperant I agree. Some things are just obvious (to us theists). Of course there is a discrepency arguing about this with atheists. So you tend to try to explain everything naturally where I incorporate the SN. So yeah it wouldn't be obvious to you but it would be to me.
Also there is nothing in the Bible about bananas being sinful to monkeys or humans.
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