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Chuck77
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Message 256 of 353 (648232)
01-14-2012 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by Tangle
01-14-2012 3:57 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Yesterday I was bitten by a cat flea. It sucked my blood and presumably was good for it so that would be God's will?

I really can't say. Have you been praying to be bitten by one? Did it save your life? Maybe you should PM me and we can go from there. This is kind of off topic. Or go to the chat thread.

But it made a large red, itchy swelling appear on my leg which could cause septicaemia and kill me.

Holy cow bro. I would definitly call a doctor or get to an ER. I'm not sure why you are actually asking or telling me about it. Strange. Get to the doctor man.

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Chuck77
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Message 257 of 353 (648233)
01-14-2012 4:07 AM
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01-14-2012 3:57 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Tangle writes:

If so, God's will resulted in a Satanic outcome. Have I got this right?

I have no idea man. Maybe we can take this to the faith and belief forums? We are discussing is it science here. Trying to get to the bottom of what reality is.

I hope you are ok tho regarding the bite.

The thing I was actually talking about (unrelated to flea bites) was about God supplying for his creation. Did you want to comment on my banana analogy?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 258 of 353 (648234)
01-14-2012 4:08 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by Chuck77
01-14-2012 3:56 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Why would anyone do that?

It beats me, but then it beats me why anyone would stone a man to death for picking up sticks on Saturday. People do odd things.

We're you out on Baker St tonight?

What?

It's not so much a stretch that God supplied bananas for monkeys. No need to try to find Gods will for that.

In order to assert with justification that "God supplied bananas for monkeys" it would indeed be necessary to know God's will, since that would be the subject about which you would be making assertions.

Yet you are all over the place. Care to focus on one thing at a time?

Does this "one thing" have anything to do with Baker Street?


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Chuck77
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Message 259 of 353 (648235)
01-14-2012 4:13 AM
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01-14-2012 4:08 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
In order to assert with justification that "God supplied bananas for monkeys" it would indeed be necessary to know God's will, since that would be the subject about which you would be making assertions.

No I mean it's obvious it is Gods will for the monkey to enjoy bananas. What do you see from them eating bananas that it wouldn't be?

Does this "one thing" have anything to do with Baker Street?

I'm not sure yet. We'll see from the next couple of your posts.


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Tangle
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Message 260 of 353 (648236)
01-14-2012 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 257 by Chuck77
01-14-2012 4:07 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
chuck77 writes:

The thing I was actually talking about (unrelated to flea bites) was about God supplying for his creation. Did you want to comment on my banana analogy?

Sorry Chuck, I AM talking about God supplying for his creation. If god provided the banana for the monkey then he also provided my blood for the flea didn't he?


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Message 261 of 353 (648237)
01-14-2012 4:33 AM
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01-14-2012 4:13 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
No I mean it's obvious it is Gods will for the monkey to enjoy bananas. What do you see from them eating bananas that it wouldn't be?

But I don't see anything in a man picking up sticks on Saturday that tells me he ought to be stoned to death. And I might have thought that I saw something wrong in a bunch of people stoning him to death. Likewise if I saw a man sitting on a menstruating woman's bed, I wouldn't have straight off said to myself, "by heck, that guy had better sacrifice a dove real soon".

Now I think of it, I probably wouldn't having seen anything wrong with Adam and Eve nomming the forbidden fruit, either. I certainly wouldn't have seen the problem with a Jew enjoying a few tasty rashers of bacon and a nice sausage.

Clearly God's will is not always readily apparent. Hence, just because I see the monkeys enjoying bananas doesn't mean that I can conclude that God wanted them to do so, it could be a Satanic corruption of God's plan whereby the Evil One tempted them to eat the Bananas Of Sin.


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Message 262 of 353 (648238)
01-14-2012 4:37 AM
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01-14-2012 4:33 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Tangle writes:

If god provided the banana for the monkey then he also provided my blood for the flea didn't he?

Of course not. The banana analogy is good. It benefits both parties. You can see God's hand in it.

I can't just from what you are telling me know if it was Gods will for the flea to bite you. What is your opinion of it?

There are a set of laws already in place that occur in nature everyday. Your situation my be unique and not measurable by the Laws of nature. Some things you have to explore.

I would say if it could kill you it is not Gods will.

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Chuck77
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Message 263 of 353 (648240)
01-14-2012 4:41 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by Dr Adequate
01-14-2012 4:33 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Clearly God's will is not always readily apparent. Hence, just because I see the monkeys enjoying bananas doesn't mean that I can conclude that God wanted them to do so, it could be a Satanic corruption of God's plan whereby the Evil One tempted them to eat the Bananas Of Sin.

Oh ok, I see now. No it's not always readily apperant I agree. Some things are just obvious (to us theists). Of course there is a discrepency arguing about this with atheists. So you tend to try to explain everything naturally where I incorporate the SN. So yeah it wouldn't be obvious to you but it would be to me.

Also there is nothing in the Bible about bananas being sinful to monkeys or humans.

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Message 264 of 353 (648244)
01-14-2012 4:53 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by Chuck77
01-14-2012 4:41 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Oh ok, I see now. No it's not always readily apperant I agree. Some things are just obvious (to us theists).

Are you saying that it would just have been obvious to you?

You'd see a man picking up sticks, you'd glance at a calendar and notice it's Saturday, you'd instinctively grab the nearest rock ... ?

You'd see a man sitting on the bed of a menstruating woman, you'd think, "Obviously that guy needs to sacrifice a dove"?

Also there is nothing in the Bible about bananas being sinful to monkeys or humans.

Why would it be in the Bible about monkeys not eating bananas? Monkeys can't read.

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Message 265 of 353 (648246)
01-14-2012 4:56 AM
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01-14-2012 4:53 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
You'd see a man picking up sticks, you'd glance at a calendar and notice it's Saturday, you'd instinctively grab the nearest rock ... ?

Yes when God tells His people His laws it is clearly obvious to them. Other times not so obvious. Some things are...obvious.

Why would it be in the Bible about monkeys not eating bananas? Monkeys can't read.

Yep I see you were out on Baker street tonight. Nite nite...

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Message 266 of 353 (648247)
01-14-2012 5:09 AM
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01-14-2012 4:56 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
Yes when God tells His people His laws it is clearly obvious to them.

No, it's not obvious. That's why they needed to be told.

There's no commandment to believe that the sky is blue, because that is obvious. There is a commandment saying not to interplant different kinds of crops, which presumably was necessary because the reason for that is not readily apparent.

Did God tell you anything about monkeys one way or the other?

Yep I see you were out on Baker street tonight.

I still have no idea what you're talking about.

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Chuck77
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Message 267 of 353 (648249)
01-14-2012 5:29 AM
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01-14-2012 5:09 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
No, it's not obvious. That's why they needed to be told.

There's no commandment to believe that the sky is blue, because that is obvious. There is a commandment saying not to interplant different kinds of crops, which presumably was necessary because the reason for that is not readily apparent.

Did God tell you anything about monkeys one way or the other?

What are having trouble with about some things are obvious and some things are not obvious?

I still have no idea what you're talking about.

NM, The Baker St. reference was because I thought you were from the UK. I remember now that you are not.

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Tangle
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Message 268 of 353 (648250)
01-14-2012 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 262 by Chuck77
01-14-2012 4:37 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
chuck77 writes:

Of course not. The banana analogy is good. It benefits both parties.


i can't see how it benefits the banana much unless you,re saying that monkeys crap its seed everywhere.

You can see God's hand in it.

Let's just agree that YOU can.

I can't just from what you are telling me know if it was Gods will for the flea to bite you.
what else would you need to know in order to decide? You're pretty definitive on the monkey/ banana issue.

What is your opinion of it?
Well my opinion of the flea bite doesn't include God much ;-)

I would say if it could kill you it is not Gods will.

Can you say how you reached that conclusion?


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Message 269 of 353 (648251)
01-14-2012 5:46 AM
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01-14-2012 5:29 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
What are having trouble with about some things are obvious and some things are not obvious?

That is not English.

NM, The Baker St. reference was because I thought you were from the UK. I remember now that you are not.

You were right the first time, I am from the UK originally, though the nearest I've been to Baker Street is the Tube station of that name, which is presumably located somewhere underneath it. But I still have no idea what you're talking about.


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Message 270 of 353 (648252)
01-14-2012 5:57 AM
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01-14-2012 5:46 AM


Re: God Given Preferences
No shit, Sherlock :-)

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

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