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Perdition
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Message 586 of 1485 (649103)
01-20-2012 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 583 by 1.61803
01-20-2012 12:22 PM


I must say I am honestly frightened at the prospect of a obstructionist, corporate social-con hawk getting elected.
We survived Bush II, we'll survive this, too. Though I too worry about the cost of survival under such an administration.
I honestly feel trepidation that people are so propagandized about the 'evils' of socialism and the perils of the lamestream media perpetuating the leftist agendas.
Honestly, I think the 'perils of socialism' really reflects an anti-European bias in this country. When we point out that the closest countries there are to socialism, like the Nordic countries, have the longest life-span, happiest citizens, and stable economies, despite being up near the Arctic circle and all of the mood killers that entails, we're usually told that there's something more at work, or that our data are flawed, or something.
I truly think people just don't want us to "copy" other countries, that we need to come up with the best system on our own. Members of Congress routinely denounce some of Obama's policies, or those of the more liberal members, as "European" as if that's some kind of insult.
Had Americans invented socialism, we'd probably be living it right now.

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Message 587 of 1485 (649105)
01-20-2012 1:47 PM
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01-20-2012 1:39 PM


Had Americans invented socialism, we'd probably be living it right now.
Basically.
Americans tend to believe that American is "exceptional," that what works for other nations will not work for us, and that America is the best regardless of any evidence to the contrary.
The "socialism" nonsense is more soccer-holliganry than actual debate. "We" are "capitalist," "they" are "socialist." We're the good guys, they're the bad guys. We don't need to know what those words actually mean, we don't need to know if a given policy actually has anything to do with "socialism." All we need to know is that the other team says it's good and our team captain says it's bad.

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Message 588 of 1485 (649112)
01-20-2012 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 586 by Perdition
01-20-2012 1:39 PM


Perd writes:
Had Americans invented socialism, we'd probably be living it right now.
Because america's founding father's were 1%ers, that could not have happened. They argued whether a king of america should exist. They established that only the elite (landowners) could have a say in government. They stripped voting from women and blacks. Indeed, Madison speaking of governments and laws from which the elite would rule said:
quote:
They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority.
1% versus 99%. Has much changed in america since the 18th century?

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Perdition
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Message 589 of 1485 (649114)
01-20-2012 3:24 PM
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01-20-2012 3:09 PM


Has much changed in america since the 18th century?
Yes. Especially since the Great Depression, there were laws and protections (those dreaded regulations Republicans like to whine about) that protected the poor and the middle class.
Sadly, many of those rules, because they worked, now seem to some to be protections against boogeymen that aren't real threats, and that somehow stifle business, so they're being repealed and rolled back and ignored.
So, what we need to do is bring our laws back to how they used to be after the Great Depression, not back to how they were in the 20s or before.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 590 of 1485 (649164)
01-20-2012 10:10 PM


Adultery Is Good Now, Right-Wing Pundits Explain
Rush Limbaugh:
So Newt wanted an open marriage. BFD. At least he asked his wife for permission instead of cheating on her. That's a mark of character, in my book.
And here's Keith Ablow of Fox News:
1) Three women have met Mr. Gingrich and been so moved by his emotional energy and intellect that they decided they wanted to spend the rest of their lives with him.
2) Two of these women felt this way even though Mr. Gingrich was already married.
3 ) One of them felt this way even though Mr. Gingrich was already married for the second time, was not exactly her equal in the looks department and had a wife (Marianne) who wanted to make his life without her as painful as possible.
Conclusion: When three women want to sign on for life with a man who is now running for president, I worry more about whether we’ll be clamoring for a third Gingrich term, not whether we’ll want to let him go after one.
It is not often that I am lost for words. Fortunately, in this case it doesn't seem necessary to say anything.

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Message 591 of 1485 (649168)
01-20-2012 10:39 PM
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01-20-2012 10:10 PM


Re: Adultery Is Good Now, Right-Wing Pundits Explain
Rush Limbaugh:
So Newt wanted an open marriage. BFD. At least he asked his wife for permission instead of cheating on her. That's a mark of character, in my book.
And here's Keith Ablow of Fox News:
1) Three women have met Mr. Gingrich and been so moved by his emotional energy and intellect that they decided they wanted to spend the rest of their lives with him.
2) Two of these women felt this way even though Mr. Gingrich was already married.
3 ) One of them felt this way even though Mr. Gingrich was already married for the second time, was not exactly her equal in the looks department and had a wife (Marianne) who wanted to make his life without her as painful as possible.
Conclusion: When three women want to sign on for life with a man who is now running for president, I worry more about whether we’ll be clamoring for a third Gingrich term, not whether we’ll want to let him go after one.
It is not often that I am lost for words. Fortunately, in this case it doesn't seem necessary to say anything.

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Message 592 of 1485 (649170)
01-21-2012 1:58 AM
Reply to: Message 590 by Dr Adequate
01-20-2012 10:10 PM


Re: Adultery Is Good Now, Right-Wing Pundits Explain
Gingrich: Celebrating 'God, families and values' while asking for divorce
quote:
Gingrich: Celebrating 'God, families and values' while asking for divorce
BY JOEL CONNELLY, SEATTLEPI.COM STAFF
Published 08:40 p.m., Friday, January 20, 2012
Read more: Gingrich: Celebrating 'God, families and values' while asking for divorce
Debate viewers should not be surprised that South Carolina Republicans gave Newt Gingrich a standing ovation as he railed against "despicable" ABC News for airing an interview with second ex-wife Marriane on the eve of the Palmetto State's presidential primary.
South Carolina is renowned not only for its red-meat politics, but as political home to randy Republicans.
The late Sen. Strom Thurmond ran as a segregationist candidate for President in 1948, and later railed against civil rights laws as an invitation to illicit race mixing. Six months after his death at 100, a 78-year-old Thurmond offspring came forward -- the product of a liaison between the future senator and his family's black maid.
Or there was then-Rep. Mark Sanford, R-S.C., outraged at President Clinton's relationship to intern Monica Lewinsky, declaring: "I think it would be much better for the country for him to resign."
Sanford went on to become governor of South Carolina. He suddenly disappeared for days -- the staff claimed he was hiking on the Appalachian Trial -- for a liaison in Argentina with a woman whom the married father of four described as his "soulmate." Sanford did not resign, but served out his term.
Gingrich is, of course, particularly egregious and on so many fronts.
In 1999 Newt phoned Marianne, just diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, declaring "I want a divorce." He then proceeded to his next speaking engagement, addressing Republican women on the topic, "The Demise of American Culture," decrying the country's estrangement from "God, families and values."
"He could ask me for a divorce on Monday and within 48 hours give a speech on family values and talk about how people treat people," Marianne Gingrich told James Grimaldi of The Washington Post.
Still, Gingrich is part of a pattern of public hyprocisy, most -- but not all -- of it on the political right. Preachers of family values practice adultry. Those who warn against miscegenation, adultry and the sins of Sodom practice same. Consider some prominent examples:
-- Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, opponent of any and all legislation to end discrimination against gays, was arrested for lewd conduct in a restroom of the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport. The senator said he "did nothing inappropriate" and explained that he takes a "wide stance" using the john.
"Let me be clear: I am not gay and never had been," Craig claimed, wife by his side. The Idaho Statesman later interviewed several men who claimed Biblical knowledge of the senator. Craig served out his term, but did resign as Senate Republican liaison with the 2008 Romney-for-President campaign.
-- Then-Rep. David Vitter, R-La., wanted President Clinton judged on moral grounds, asking of l'affaire Lewinsky: "Is that the level of moral relativity (sic) and vacuousness we have come to?"
Sen. Vitter answered his own question when his name surfaced in the D.C. Madam sex scandal, with an apparent predilection for diapers. The senator took a customary way out, confessing he had committed a "serious sin" and had "asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife ..." He was reelected to the Senate in 2010.
-- Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill., chaired the House Judiciary Committee as he drew up impeachments charges against Clinton. During the hearings, it was revealed that Hyde had carried on an affair with a married mother of three. Mr. Chairman dismissed it as a "youthful indiscretion." He was 42 years old at the time.
-- Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., another leader in the House impeachment crusade, had to acknowledge siring a child out of wedlock.
-- Rep. Bob Livingston, R-La., a fellow impeacher, was set to take over as speaker of the house after fellow Republicans ousted Gingrich in a palace coup late in 1998. Livingston suddenly quit the House -- confessing sexual indiscretions in an emotional speech -- as a way of heading off Hustler's coming expose.
-- Ex-Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., pressed on with his 2008 presidential campaign despite news that wife Elizabeth was ill with incurable cancer. Elizabeth Edwards became a heroine in books and TV interviews.
Behind the scenes, Edwards carried on an affair and sired a child with Rielle Hunter, a campaign videographer. He hit up heiress Bunny Mellon for coverup cash. A longtime Edwards go-fer, Andrew Young, was enlisted to claim he was father of the child.
The list goes on, and it goes back.
-- Rep. Bob Bauman, R-Md., sponsored the original Family Protection Act in the House. Bauman was an early leader of the conservative God-family-country movement, a former president of Young Americans for Freedom. Wife Carol was, as well, an early, zealous YAFer.
Bauman's career in Congress imploded after revelation he had propositioned a 17-year-old boy. He did not ask forgiveness, but came out, wrote a book, and took to the lecture circuit with a new male partner.
It's 30 years later. We're witnessing GOP presidential candidates demand that the U.S. Constitution be amended to ban same-sex marriage, that federal money be withdrawn from Planned Parenthood clinics, and that our capital and country embrace a new "pro-family" agenda.
The wake-up call comes from Marianne Gingrich, who suffered one of life's rudest awakenings.
"I found out during our conversations that (the liaison) was occurring in my bedroom in out apartment in Washington," she told the Post. "He always called me at night and always ended with, 'I love you.' Well, she (Callista) was listening."
Oh yes, Gingrich told soon-to-be-jettisoned wife No. 2 where soon to be acquired wife No. 3, Callista, was going to take him:
"In a few years, I'm going to run for President. She's going to help me become President."
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Edited to add in spaces so anglagard doesn't get an aneurysm from the lack of spaces.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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anglagard
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Message 593 of 1485 (649171)
01-21-2012 3:06 AM
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01-21-2012 1:58 AM


Re: Adultery Is Good Now, Right-Wing Pundits Explain
Awhile back you criticized me for using too many commas.
Can you handle a bit of constructive criticism for using too few spaces and paragraphs? Your post, while great in content, is poor in readability..

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Message 594 of 1485 (649185)
01-21-2012 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 554 by Perdition
01-19-2012 4:38 PM


Re: Perry bows out endorses Gingrich
The SC results today should be interesting.
Is it just me or does the (liberal of course ) press keep reporting how the (IA caucus, NH primary, SC primary ...) pick the eventual winners?
Has every newscaster forgotten that the GOP changed the primary rules this year by making results proportional for the national convention, not winner take all?
quote:
The New Republican Primary Rules Make It Possible For The Republican Establishment To Steal The Nomination From A Candidate They Don’t Like
New Republican primary rules are going to make it basically impossible for any candidate to wrap up the Republican nomination very early in 2012. In fact, the new Republican primary rules make a "brokered convention" much more likely and they also make it much more likely that the Republican establishment will attempt to steal the nomination away from a candidate that they do not like. How exactly they would do this will be discussed later in the article. The key is that most Republican primaries and caucuses will now allocate delegates using a proportional system rather than a "winner take all" system.
The following rule was adopted by the Republican Party back in August 2010....
"Any presidential primary, caucus, convention, or other meeting held for the purpose of selecting delegates to the national convention which occurs prior to the first day of April in the year in which the national convention is held, shall provide for the allocation of delegates on a proportional basis."
This new rule means that delegates will be apportioned to candidates on a proportional basis in Republican caucuses and primaries that are conducted prior to April 1st. One notable exception to this rule is Florida, which got approval to remain a "winner take all" state. So Florida will be very important.
Prediction: Gingrich wins SC, Romney second, Paul third, Santorum fourth, Cain (he's still on the ballot) fifth, news pundits go wild.
Note further that "Super Tuesday" is March 6th:
quote:
2012 Primary Schedule
The 2012 GOP primary/caucus schedule is nearly set in stone. The calendar dates below are believed to be accurate unless last minute changes occur to the schedule. Always check with your local board of elections to verify election dates, times and locations ahead of time. Note that "Super Tuesday" in 2012 falls on March 6th, however, it is a little less "super" than it has been in years past.
It's going to be fun watching the media posturing.
Enjoy.

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Message 595 of 1485 (649265)
01-21-2012 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 594 by RAZD
01-21-2012 10:25 AM


Re: Perry bows out endorses Gingrich
Zen Deist writes:
Prediction: Gingrich wins SC, Romney second, Paul third, Santorum fourth, Cain (he's still on the ballot) fifth, news pundits go wild.
Good call.
At 77.2% reporting in:
Gingrich 40.8%
Romney 26.5%
Santorum 17.5%
Paul 13.5%
Cain (Colbert) 1.0%
Only underestimated the capacity of {explicative deleted} to enthrall the redneck masses.
Me, I'm voting for Gary Johnson unless either Gordon Gekko or the Stay-Puft Marshmallow 'man' gets too close.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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DC85
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Message 596 of 1485 (649266)
01-21-2012 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 579 by Perdition
01-20-2012 10:46 AM


This year, the nominee will be Romney, since it's his "turn." Next election, it will be Gingrich (unless someone from a major family, like the Bushes or Reagans [fat chance there] decides top run.).
Well at least one of those Reagan boys doesn't have a chance.... Ronald Reagan JR is a Liberal and GASP an Atheist

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Message 597 of 1485 (649272)
01-21-2012 10:33 PM
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01-21-2012 9:31 PM


Dude! Even Ronnie Himself wouldn't have a chance! The inmates have taken over the Republican asylum!

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Message 598 of 1485 (649282)
01-22-2012 7:20 AM
Reply to: Message 595 by anglagard
01-21-2012 9:26 PM


almost called it
Hi anglagard,
At 77.2% reporting in:
Gingrich 40.8%
Romney 26.5%
Santorum 17.5%
Paul 13.5%
Cain (Colbert) 1.0%
That Santorum can't seem to get traction among the evangelicals should tell you something -- that he is too fanatic for the fanatics?
Note he still had the sweatervest on last time he was seen in public:
(Tom the Dancing Bug Tom the Dancing Bug by Ruben Bolling for January 20, 2012 - GoComics)
Enjoy.

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Message 599 of 1485 (649306)
01-22-2012 10:45 AM
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01-22-2012 7:20 AM


Re: almost called it
That Santorum can't seem to get traction among the evangelicals should tell you something -- that he is too fanatic for the fanatics?
I think it has more to do with the perception that Santorum can't beat Romney, but Gingrich can.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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Message 600 of 1485 (649344)
01-22-2012 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 592 by Taz
01-21-2012 1:58 AM


Re: Adultery Is Good Now, Right-Wing Pundits Explain
As a poster on a pretty right wing board I lurk at put it:
If Gingrich ever decided to run a whistle stop campaign, his train would consist of a string of baggage cars.

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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
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All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
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