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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I seem to have missed your sarcasm tag. Could you point it out for me?
Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Can we take it from this that you have stopped smoking....? Weed or Cigs? If weed: Um, it's natures healthcare. Anxiety? Smoke. Insomina? Smoke. It practically solves everythhing. If cigs: Yeah, I have stopped smoking those. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
About two months ago i fell down a flight of stairs and had to go to the emergency room. How would a low carb diet have prevented that?
I'm going to assume you're fat, and probably fell due to that. I would suggest not only a low carb diet, but a step class that teaches you how to properly go up and down a flight of stairs.
A few years ago i crashed on my bike, hit my head pretty bad. Got picked up by an ambulance. Again, how would a healthy diet have prevented that? Easy though, if you're fat you should probably start on a stationary bike.
You cant prevent alot of diseases and damages to your body by eating healthy. I would say mostly all. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Here you go Burger Kings new delivery service!
This should be illegal. The government should NOT provide free healthcare and should instead spend OUR money stopping us from killing ourselves. Jesus Christ, how can we have the balls to demand health coverage from our government when WE are the cause of our own problems? - Oni
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Straggler Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Well good for you Mr. Personal Responsibility.
But we all get old if we don't die beforehand. And with age generally comes the need for medical care of some sort. Even the fittest and most personally responsible will get there eventually. So let's assume that we all take up jogging, stop eating cheesecake and start doing sit-ups thus leading to us all living to a ripe old age. At which point nature does what it does and we end up physically decrepit and/or mentally a bit the worse for wear. What's the best way of dealing with that inevitability in your view?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Hey, don't knock sit ups. I can tell you that at my age I'm thrilled every single morning when I find I really can sit up. Made it through one more.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
At which point nature does what it does and we end up physically decrepit and/or mentally a bit the worse for wear. What's the best way of dealing with that inevitability in your view? Um, die. What's the other option? Linger on when NATURE has already told you you're done? - Oni
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Straggler Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
OK. At what age do we start just letting people die from physical ailments rather than seeking to medically treat them?
At what point do we deem that "NATURE" has decided.....?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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Well you have thus far passed the Oni test of the right to life. If you find one morning that you cannot sit-up for whatever reason nature has apparently spoken and it is time to give up the ghost.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Any age. When it's natures time for you to go, it's time to go. EVERY single species lives by these rules. We're the only ones who think we can by-pass this because we're selfish.
When it's time to go for a dolphin or ape, both sentient animals, it's time to go. - Oni
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Once you get rid of that nanny umbilical, you'll be truly free. Soon, without any pensions, public healthcare or other government intrusions into the natural market, we'll all be rich as kings. God bless America.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Ummm, yeah! I'm with you Oni. When nature has said we are done, we should NOT fight it.
However, try telling that to my six year old niece with OPERABLE cancer. How dare she go against god's plan and hope to go on living, in the process bankrupting her money-loving republican family. That selfish little bitch! NATURE H A S SPOKEN! (Kidding, K I D D I N G !) (Oni, whadup? Where is my favorite co-tin-foil-hat-wearing, admirer-of-girls, Chomsky-loving, humanitarian-about-town, lover-of-life-food-music-girls, did-I-mention-girls?, funny comedian this morning? Have you gone over to the dark side? Have you become a Presbyterian? Say it aint so Oni! Say it aint sooo *dronester breaks down, weeps inconsolably into his BK double bacon cheeseburger*
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Ummm, yeah! I'm with you Oni. When nature has said we are done, we should NOT fight it. Thank youuuu, my point exactly.
However, try telling that to my six year old niece with OPERABLE cancer. How dare she go against god's plan and hope to go on living, in the process bankrupting her money-loving republican family. That selfish little bitch! Well, I wouldn't call her a bitch. Jeez If her parents want to pay for it though, I support the effort all the way.
*dronester breaks down, weeps inconsolably into his BK double bacon cheeseburger* I would feel a lot better if you were weeping into a nice garden salad. - Oni
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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Oni writes: I would feel a lot better if you were weeping into a nice garden salad. BK is delivering the garden salad with large fries and a shake as we speak (thanks for the tip about BK delivering). God help them if they forget the croutons! (I am kidding about the niece-cancer scenerio. Jeez.) HEY, THIS IS MY 500th post! Percy release the balloons! Edited by dronester, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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There will always be those in society who need access to medical facilities. The very young, the disabled, those unlucky enough to suffer sickness and disease through no fault of their own, those who suffer injuries etc. etc. Shit happens. Accidents, disease, illness, birth complications etc. etc. etc. are just facts of human life and always have been. And no amount of sit-ups will protect you or anyone else from all of these things.
Furthermore even those who are lucky enough to live most of their lives without any significant medical need will very probably eventually reach and age where they need some form of medical help. In some cases minor, simply to make the accumulation of minor ailments that old age results in less of an issue. In other cases significant medical assistance will be needed because age related deterioration results in painful and debilitating conditions that can take many years to reach the point of actual death. None of us really know who or when any of this will hit. It might be us. It might not. We just know on a fairly statistical basis that some people will need assistance more than others. That is what insurance is all about. Socialised healthcare is just a form of socialised medical insurance with the largest number of people sharing the risk as possible. At it’s best the priority is placed on providing care to those that need it most over things like profit that inevitably distract private providers. For all your talk of burgers and sit-ups that is the bigger picture. At least as I see it.
Straggler writes: OK. At what age do we start just letting people die from physical ailments rather than seeking to medically treat them? At what point do we deem that "NATURE" has decided.....? Oni writes: Any age. When it's natures time for you to go, it's time to go. EVERY single species lives by these rules. We're the only ones who think we can by-pass this because we're selfish. When it's time to go for a dolphin or ape, both sentient animals, it's time to go. On this basis we wouldn't bother with medical science period would we? Penicillin is not the work of the devil Oni. Curing kids of cancer, dealing with birth problems, treating people who suffer horrible injuries in accidents, fighting disease, treating infection or making older people's lives pain free and productive rather than leaving them to die in pain - These things are not abhorrant acts against nature. It is these acts of collective risk sharing and compassion for others that allow us to justifiably describe the societies we have created as "civilised"...... Edited by Straggler, : No reason given. Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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