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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined:
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To add to what you and Percy were saying to Just Being Real, natural selection, artificial selection, macroevolution, and microevolution have ALL in fact been observed, as well as several phenomena such as the fossil record and genetic/anatomical/embryological homologies...
This brings up the question for everyone, "What kind of evidence does ID have to offer?" Edited by ookuay, : No reason given. Edited by ookuay, : No reason given.
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
@JBR: Time is relative to innate biological clocks, and theoretically moving faster than the speed of light can create an alternate timeline indicating that time does exist and is observable.
Also, I apologize for not back-reading but there are a LOT of posts, so briefly: how does this discussion connect back to expected evidence?
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
I already know, but thanks. I went back to edit the original message to multiple people hence the "@JBR" left in. Also, the first thing can't be excluded.
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
It's not my math; it's Einstein's. You can start reading about it here: Theory of relativity - Wikipedia
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
I figured it was sort of general knowledge...Einstein is perhaps the most famous physicist and is best known for his theory of relativity. I'm not Einstein so I can't recreate his thoughts but traveling faster than the speed of light should cause one to experience an alternate slower timeline than the rest of the universe. If you're interested, look up "speed of light time travel" or something.
Edit: Instead of "alternate timeline" I would have been more accurate in saying "time-space frame". The overarching point is that time is not man-made. Edited by ookuay, : No reason given.
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
Lol, I know... The point is that Einstein has reason to say that alternate timelines can exist. Note the words "in a vacuum". Earth is not a vacuum. "Alternate timeline" is not incorrect- it's not the terminology used by physicists but definitely works in this context. Thank you for the time dilation example, it goes to prove my point... You can definitely look up time-space frames on your own. Yes, my former statement is correct.
This returns us to the fact that time is not a man-made invention, refuting what Just Being Real was saying some time ago.
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
Hi Panda,
I noticed you didn't give any backing evidence this time as I'm sure I made my point. Use any words you wish. You gave your example of an alternate timeline and that settles it.
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
Hi Percy,
Seeing as the speed of light can be surpassed since Earth isn't a vacuum and "alternate timeline" is descriptive enough for "time-space frame", I don't see the problem. Also, I constantly return to the on-topic post by JBR (whereas Panda does not...)
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
No, the point I'd been making was that Einstein had reason to believe that an alternate time-space frame could be observed by surpassing the speed of light (which is impossible only in a vacuum). Obviously I don't know in-depth physics but I was just throwing it out there that time can be observed. Panda's example of time dilation of clocks seems a better example since it is possible at sub-light speeds.
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
Let me make my point again.
*Theoretically* (though not yet achieved) moving faster than the speed of light (such as neutrinos as per recent Italian experiments) can create an alternate timeline indicating that time does exist and is observable. Einstein thought that FTL travel would split time-space frames (one slower and more contracted) and never said FTL travel was impossible outside of vacuums.
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
Alright, you could have just said that objects can only slow down in a medium. I didn't catch that.
Returning to the discussion..."This theory has a wide range of consequences which have been experimentally verified, including counter-intuitive ones such as length contraction, time dilation and relativity of simultaneity"+Neutrinos seem to travel faster than the speed of light. FYI: "it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate an object with mass to the speed of light. The speed of light is the upper limit for the speeds of objects with positive rest mass"- particles can't accelerate past the speed of light but tachyons can still exist. Time dilation-->alternate time-space frames.
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined:
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I came to the forum with biology- and philosophy- oriented knowledge, so you could definitely say I don't know any physics (nothing past Newton's laws of motion). That was my point but I defended it inadequately.
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ookuay Junior Member (Idle past 3907 days) Posts: 20 Joined: |
I started this side discussion by commenting on JBR's claim that time is a man-made invention. I'm positive it can be distorted and observed but fail to give accurate and specific examples in modern physics.
I basically heard that moving faster than the speed of light causes an object to slow down and contract relative to the objects around it and that there were existing objects that traveled faster than the speed of light.
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