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Perdition
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Message 25 of 154 (650841)
02-03-2012 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by purpledawn
02-03-2012 7:47 AM


Re: Bill Heading to House
Maybe if you argue that putting "creationism" up against the heaps and heaps of evidence for evolution will tend to make kids even more sure of evolution and that creationism is false. It could lead to a crisis of faith and end up creating far more athiests than they would want.
I know it's sort of coming at the argument from an opposite angle, but considering the people who want this are religious, it might be more effective, especially if you're going for an emotional appeal.

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Message 31 of 154 (650854)
02-03-2012 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by hooah212002
02-03-2012 10:54 AM


Instead, it focuses on teaching these as "origin" stories.
Could they also include the origin stories of Superman, Batman, Wolverine, Iron Man, etc? Or does it specifically call out only the orgin of humankind?

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Message 33 of 154 (650871)
02-03-2012 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by purpledawn
02-03-2012 12:05 PM


Re: Bill Heading to House
It there one piece of supposed evidence for special creation that alongside evolution would look ridiculous to a physician?
I wasn't aware that there was any evidence for creation.
Since he's a physician, maybe you could appeal to his thoughts on faith healing or self-diagnosis using WebMD or something. The fact that non-scientists are trying to push what is taught in science class would be akin to non-doctors prescribing medicine or diagnosing illnesses. When you add the religious aspect into it, you're even further down the rabit hole. See Scientology and their thoughts on Psychiatry (or Psychology, not sure which) and the whole "vaccines cause autism" scare.

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Perdition
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Message 88 of 154 (651395)
02-07-2012 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by purpledawn
02-07-2012 7:51 AM


I think this is a very well written letter.
I have room for a witty summary or sign off.
These can eb effective, but you have to be careful. If it's too witty, it may seem condescending, or it may even fly over the recipeint's head.
I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with and later, hearing how it was received.
Keep fighting the good fight.

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Message 92 of 154 (651463)
02-07-2012 4:06 PM
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02-07-2012 3:36 PM


Re: Final Part
I like it. It's not antagonistic, it reiterates your opening paragraph, and it's very clear and unambiguous.
I'd love to know if you get a response when you send this letter, and what that response says.

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Message 109 of 154 (651726)
02-09-2012 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Artemis Entreri
02-09-2012 2:26 PM


Re: LOL AWESOME
should they teach a variety of theories, and simply say "these are the various explanations" that we have, but a general consensus has yet to be determined?
Depends on the grade level...but I would say they should teach the various scientific explanations for the origin of life, but they should be very clear in stating that these are ideas or hypotheses, not theories, and that we may never know exactly how life started on Earth because there was little to no evidence left when it happened.
They might even say that various religions have their own explanation, and if they would like to know more about those, they can take a comparative religions course (assuming the school offers one) or they can ask their parents or ministers about the one their religion prefers.

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