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Trixie
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Message 24 of 154 (650818)
02-03-2012 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by purpledawn
02-03-2012 7:47 AM


Re: Bill Heading to House
Would it be helpful to illustrate your correspondence with the arguments which are put forward for creation and against evolution? I'm thinking of some of the utter nonsense you'll find on sites like "Fundies Say The Darndest Things".
I'd also include a list of everything that has to be ignored by creationists, such as radiometric dating, fossils, geology, genetics, to show that this isn't a choice between evolution and creationism, but between creationism and science. It may help to demonstrate the effect this would have on the standards of scientific knowledge amongst children affected by it.

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Trixie
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Message 34 of 154 (650877)
02-03-2012 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by hooah212002
02-03-2012 10:54 AM


I like the idea of teaching al of the different versions, buthae the same concern as hoa when he says
these seemingly will be taught/discussed in a science class/setting. That is where the problem is, IMO. These creation myths are most likely going to be given factual credence.
The understanding of science amongst the general public is woeful already and I worry about giving up time in the science class to this sort of thing. I'm also concerned about the confusion this might sow.
My son, in Year 7, has been taught about different religions in school, but they have been taught as part of religious lessons. However, none of it centred on origins and creation stories, but spent most of the time explaining religious festivals like Eid, Ramadan, Hannukah, Passover, Christmas. It's given him a good understanding of cultures he comes across, but he remains a firm proponent of evolution, based on his visits to the Natural History Museum. I've just quizzed him on this and,while he believes in God, he doesn't see what this belief in God has to do with evolution. To him it's like looking for a link between football and maths.

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Trixie
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Message 36 of 154 (650880)
02-03-2012 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by purpledawn
02-03-2012 12:05 PM


Re: Bill Heading to House
I dont think you're going to find a bit of evidence for special creation that would look ridiculous to a physician since there isn't any evidence. I wonder if the information on the broken Vitamin C gene in humans and apes would work. Creationists ascribe it to The Fall, although why apes were punished as well is beyod me The guinea pigs must just have been in the wrong place at the wrong time and got caught in the crossfire. I have seen the broken Vitamin C gene being used as evidence that The Fall happened (on this very site think)

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Trixie
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Message 62 of 154 (651158)
02-05-2012 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Chuck77
02-05-2012 3:47 AM


Chuck77 writes:
Heck, i'd even take them just showing all of the inconsistancies of the TOE instead of Teaching Creationism or ID.
How about you list the inconsistencies for us? You never know, some of them might not be inconsistencies, just a misunderstanding on your part. You may even come up with one that evolutionists can't explain. If that happens, you'd have done humanity a great service in exposing the folly of evolution. You'd be famous!
You'd have to remember, however, to remain honest. You can't vomit forth lies and falsehoods such as
Chuck77 writes:
After everyone saw the whole story im sure after time schools would start adopting other theories to teach than one with no evidence suppoting it's theory.
I've put the lie in bold and italics to save any confusion.

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Trixie
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Message 93 of 154 (651464)
02-07-2012 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by purpledawn
02-07-2012 3:36 PM


Re: Final Part
I like your letter and would appreciate any follow-up if you hear back. It will be interesting to see how it's received. Good luck!

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Trixie
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Message 104 of 154 (651716)
02-09-2012 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Artemis Entreri
02-09-2012 2:05 PM


Re: LOL AWESOME
I think the problem is that the ToE doesn't deal with the origin of life, however Intelligent Design and creation stories do. If your pet idea is that everything was created or designed as it is now, then you get into the realms of evolution, since by default you're declaring it didn't happen. Many people in favour of teaching creation and intelligent design seriously believe that the ToE is all about the origin of life when it's really about the origin of diversity.

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Trixie
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Message 134 of 154 (652623)
02-15-2012 5:43 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by Coyote
02-14-2012 11:01 PM


Re: Its dead, Jim!
I particularly enjoyed the following
Bosma said Tuesday that he considered the proposal a lawsuit waiting to happen since the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled before against public schools teaching creationism.
I suppose that's the nub of the question I asked in the thread about the Missouri Bill. Why do people keep bringing forward bills like this when they know what they're trying to do is unconstitutional?

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