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Author Topic:   Neurology, the next debate frontier in the controversy?
Perdition
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Message 3 of 19 (651426)
02-07-2012 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Kairyu
02-07-2012 10:54 AM


So, I'd like to invite Creationists/Christians to comment on my prediction, and perhaps give evidence why neurology is not a problem.
I'm not a Creationist or a Christian, but I can see a few options open to them.
1) The Fall. Humans were created in God's image, but when Adam ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, his brain was altered, since before, he didn't know about good and evil, so anyhting we're studying in the brain is studying a damaged organ.
2) If you go dualistic, you can say that the actions of the brain that we associate with thoughts and actions are really just where the soul interacts with the body in order to make immaterial desires manifest in a material world.
3) Another, more honest, approach would be to say that they're not entirely sure why or how things are the way they are, but that they believe there is a higher purpose.

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Message 5 of 19 (651435)
02-07-2012 1:27 PM
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02-07-2012 12:55 PM


Re: Soul Destroyer
I think this will increasingly become an area of conflict between those who adopt a scientific approach and those who rely on various forms of mysticism.
This could have a very profound effect on many people, even those who aren't particularly religious but still believe in free will. It could have great effect on legal systems, morality, and mental health.
This could be a much more fundamental revision of our world view, as a species, than any other scientific discovery with the possible exception of what the discovery of intelligent, extra-terrestrial life might do.

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Message 8 of 19 (651445)
02-07-2012 2:54 PM
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02-07-2012 1:38 PM


If God personally corrupted us to make us sinful, this creates a logical paradox with his indignation and sorrow of the corruption of mankind
All of God's punishments result in logical paradoxes if you assume he created everything and is omniscient and omnipotent. This hasn't stopped people from clinging to this explanation thus far, so I don't see how one more mountain of evidence in the mountain range we already have is going to change that.
The ''soul'' is powerless to do anything about this.
That may be entirely true. Again, I'm not a dualist, but you can consider the soul to be like a game cartridge and the brain is the game console. You can damage the console such that parts or all of the game don't work, so that scrambled images appear on the TV, but that doesn't mean the cartridge is broken or at fault.
True, this means the soul has very little influence to control things...but that's true of humans in general, so I don't see how this would be an insurmountable obstacle no matter what we find out about the brain for people committed to this idea.
You can't really 100% disprove the soul by definition, but it can be make extremely unlikely.
The soul is extremely unlikely because there has never been a need to invoke one to explain anything. The fact that people have done so, and continue to do so means that they will likely continue to do so, regardless of what is found. They will either redefine soul to fit into the increasingly shrinking gaps in knowledge, or they will simply admit that they don't understand how it all fits together but that they believe it does anyways.
Thi second approach is the most honest way to keep a faith in something supernatural for which there is absolutely no need or evidence.

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Message 9 of 19 (651446)
02-07-2012 2:59 PM
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02-07-2012 1:37 PM


Re: Soul Destroyer
On the other hand people are quite good at intellectually knowing one thing whilst intuitively behaving as if something completely different were true.
This is true. I act as if I have free will even though I "know" I don't.
But it is easier to believe something when there is at least a little wiggle room. As the wiggle room gets smaller and smaller, it leads to cognitive dissonance, and there will be people who lash out.
I guess I really don't think it will affect most people's day to day activities, but I do think there are some for whom it will be extremely unnerving or even cause some to spin into depression. And I don't think all of them will necessarily be religious.

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