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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
Subtitled: Bush Jr.'s Third Term in Office
xongsmith writes: The United States of America is officially completely DEAD now. We can all go home and shake our heads at an experiment only 234 years old with apparently wonderful lofty ideals that has now succumbed finally to the forces of greed & viciousness. The final nail in the coffin was delivered by none other than that slimy insidious double agent for the Filthy Rich running the United States, Barack Obama. What xongsmith said.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5
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Rahvin writes: He [Obama] didn't submit his own plan, he didn't veto plans that didn't go far enough. CF writes: Jesus Christ, why would he veto a plan that didn't go far enough? That makes no fucking sense unless your goal, like Dronester, isn't to actually do anything in government to help people's lives, it's to live out a fantasy of proxy martyrdom watching the President die on hill after hill. You mean like stopping child torture? Is that what you mean by government helping people's lives? Well, perhaps in your parent's household there were frequent child beatings (I wonder why) and you consider that to be "normal". But I come from a family who believes that child torture is kind'a a bad thing. And thus, this is one hill I would like Obama to die on.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Sorry he didn't close diplomatic ties with Iraq, Dronester, but you need to get over that.
I suppose Elizabeth Warren's Consumer Finance Protection Bureau is just another part of his sneaky plan, right, guys? I mean, obviously the only way a progressive Presidency could ever be considered "successful" is if it took such a principled stand that it never succeeded in anything at all. I can't wait until the first Kucinich Administration, where his first official act will be to commit suicide. That'll be just the sort of martyrdom flameout that you Firebaggers are so desperate for, right? And then when Republicans outlaw elections and plunge us into a thousand years of darkness, you'll march into the concentration camps heads held high, knowing that your guy stood so strongly for principle that he so highly and principled-ly refused to accomplish anything at all.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You mean like stopping child torture? Is that what you mean by government helping people's lives? Stopping the torture of children is just one of the ways that Obama has used the government to improve people's lives, yes. I'm specifically referring to ending the practice of torturing children with diseases by not paying for them to be treated.
And thus, this is one hill I would like Obama to die on. Hrm, strange. If you were really opposed to child torture, wouldn't you want Obama to succeed in stopping it?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
Crash writes: I'm specifically referring to ending the practice of torturing children with diseases by not paying for them to be treated. Hmm, strange. You really believe that the usa government pays/acts to infect children with torturous diseases like it pays/acts to torture children? Wow. Great analogy Pops.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3259 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined:
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I can understand the liberal outrage that Obama didn't do everything that they wanted. However, we live in the real world. He has to work within the guidelines of the constitution, which includes letting the legislature legislate.
I'm a bit more pragmatic. A small step in the right direction (the healthcare bill) is better than overreaching for the whole shebang, only to end up with nothing to show for it (at best) or a backlash that takes us further from the goal (at worst). The fact is, we live in a country with differing views, and those differing views have just as much clout as ours do, meaning the ultimate solution to any problem is going to come from somewhere between our opposing views. I think Obama has done a very good job, considering the hand he was dealt at the time he was elected. I'm also of the opinion that the second term of a presidency is usually a bit more effective or at least outspoken because they no longer have the specter of reelection hanging over every decision, combined with the fact that they now have experience in the position. Being president is a very difficult job. I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to step in on day one and know exactly how to do everything they need to do to pass their agenda.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.5
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Perd writes: The fact is, we live in a country with differing views, At the moment, it seems like just two views: 1%ers and 99%ers. Which does Obama serve?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You really believe that the usa government pays/acts to infect children with torturous diseases like it pays/acts to torture children? Sure, in that the government doesn't do either of those things.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Granted, it was an infomercial and granted the author, Larry Edelson,
is selling something. My question was, is there any truth to it? Edelson writes: While Edelson says his argument is not based on political ideology, he blames Obama, Geitner,and Bernanke for essentially "selling us out" to the Chinese financiers.
By RAISING the value of the Chinese yuan, Washington and China will automatically CRUSH the value of the U.S. dollar ... So Washington can repay its otherwise unpayable debts with cheaper dollars!...When the dust settles, the United States will be little more than just another name on the long list of once-proud countries that squandered their wealth ... that were ultimately driven to their knees and forced to submit to the nations that took their places.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Which does Obama serve? Well, one way to find out would be to ask the 1%. You know, since there's less of them and therefore it's easier to ask:
quote: http://nymag.com/news/businessfinance/56151/index1.html Or read their special rich-people magazines:
quote: http://www.forbes.com/...rises-obama-business-problem_3.html Wall Street sure as hell doesn't think that Obama is the "Wall Street" candidate. Why the hell should we? Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3259 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
At the moment, it seems like just two views: 1%ers and 99%ers. Which does Obama serve? From what I can tell, he supports the 99%. Most of the Republicans support the 1%. That makes it difficult to get anything that would actually help the 99% through the Republican controlled House as well as the Republican minority dominated Senate.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Well since he was pushing through a universal healthcare program, that appears to serve the 99%ers more than the 1%ers. Now really, is there any viable Republican canidate that isn't mostly only serving the 1%ers?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Phat, you well know that the "wealth" of the United States is in the natural resources within our borders and the creative potential of the people who here reside.
How does a fluctuation in the Yuan or the dollar rob us of either? When we make interest payments on Chinese-owned US debt, we're just sending them money, not resources or people. How is our wealth in any way "squandered"?
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
crashfrog writes: Because even if he isnt, its already too late for the average citizen to recover. Wall Street sure as hell doesn't think that Obama is the "Wall Street" candidate. Why the hell should we? At least Obama still has the 99% on his side. The tricky part is deciding whether to shoot the horse that pulls us (the 1%) in order to get food for today or let the horse drag us through hell (of reduced wages and standard of living, in order to get out of debt) for the longterm good of everyone.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
crash writes: Because the real value of the dollar will be forced to come out, and we essentially wont have as much purchasing power as we used to have...all the while working ever harder. When we make interest payments on Chinese-owned US debt, we're just sending them money, not resources or people. How is our wealth in any way "squandered"? Im not gonna blame Obama...thats for sure. Romney would make things even harder for the 99%.
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