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dronestar
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Message 61 of 397 (651686)
02-09-2012 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Straggler
02-08-2012 4:58 PM


Re: Next campaign as pragmatic and non-idealistic as the last one?
strag writes:
What I naively thought was that Obama would be a politician who would shape the political agenda rather than be continually thwarted by it.
"Thwarted by it"? I'd be thrilled if that was the case.
My dear ol' Straggler, Obama has ADVANCED the "conservative" (corporatist/fascist) agenda. More posts to come.

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Message 62 of 397 (651713)
02-09-2012 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by crashfrog
02-08-2012 8:17 PM


Re: Next campaign as pragmatic and non-idealistic as the last one?
I feel like I'm talking to a member of Obama's campaign team!! Is there any area where you think the Obama administration failed or even underachieved at all?
Do you think the Obama presidency will go down in history as one of those that future Democrat presidents will aspire to emulate?
Do you actually even accept that there are feelings of disillusionment amongst many who supported Obama last time (both in the US and around the world) at all? If so what do you think the source of this disillusionment might be?
And in terms of the proof being in the pudding - Do you think Obama will get more, less or about the same number of votes in the next election as he got in the last one?
AbE - But I have to add that I really enjoyed your post and have cheered it accordingly.
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 63 of 397 (651714)
02-09-2012 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by dronestar
02-09-2012 9:11 AM


Re: Next campaign as pragmatic and non-idealistic as the last one?
Straggler writes:
More posts to come.
Which I will read with interest.
But I'll probably leave you and Crash to slug it out.
Probably.....

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crashfrog
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Message 64 of 397 (651733)
02-09-2012 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Straggler
02-09-2012 2:11 PM


Re: Next campaign as pragmatic and non-idealistic as the last one?
Is there any area where you think the Obama administration failed or even underachieved at all?
I wish they'd asked for a larger stimulus, but at the time I don't think anyone had a notion that Republicans would be the Party of No from Day One.
But underachieved? No. I don't think there's even a single example where the Obama Administration has made unforced errors. I think their actions are overwhelmingly both deliberate and deliberated, and represent the maximum achievement possible given the circumstances in Congress. If anything the Obama administration has been one of unexpected achievement - remember when everybody was certain that the Affordable Care Act was dead, after the election of Scott Brown to Ted Kennedy's seat? DOA, they called it.
Yet it passed. Obama turned it around in a week. Like I said, I just don't understand the disappointment, except to note that it's usually the case that the black guy has to work twice as hard to be considered half as good.
Do you actually even accept that there are feelings of disillusionment amongst many who supported Obama last time (both in the US and around the world) at all?
Sure. It's just that, like yours, the feelings are based on complete ignorance about our system of government, in particular an enormously inflated view of the President's power to enact domestic policy. It's disappointment in not getting a pony, in other words. A disappointment that stems from a faulty sense of entitlement.
Do you think the Obama presidency will go down in history as one of those that future Democrat presidents will aspire to emulate?
Yes, absolutely. Obama has already eclipsed Clinton as the most successful Democratic administration in my lifetime. Yours too.
Do you think Obama will get more, less or about the same number of votes in the next election as he got in the last one?
He'll get less, certainly, but that's the result of the economy being worse now than it was in 2008. But, that's due to the actions (or really, inaction) of the Federal Reserve Bank failing in its mandate to keep unemployment low. And the Federal Reserve Bank only notionally works for Obama (or for the government at all.)

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Message 65 of 397 (651734)
02-09-2012 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by crashfrog
02-09-2012 4:04 PM


Re: Next campaign as pragmatic and non-idealistic as the last one?
He'll get less, certainly, but that's the result of the economy being worse now than it was in 2008
U sure about that it kind of looks like you are employing more people now days and not loosing jobs an indicator that the economy is improving.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

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dronestar
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Message 66 of 397 (651735)
02-09-2012 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by crashfrog
02-09-2012 4:04 PM


Re: Next campaign as pragmatic and non-idealistic as the last one?
Crash writes:
I don't think there's even a single example where the Obama Administration has made unforced errors. I think their actions are overwhelmingly both deliberate and deliberated, and represent the maximum achievement possible given the circumstances in Congress.
Yep, I gotta agree with you this time Crash. Obama's DELIBERATE drone attacks have increased dramatically from his predecessor. And considering Obama's just a black man makes it all the more impressive. No unforced errors here to see:
quote:
Obama Terror Drones: CIA Tactics In Pakistan Include Targeting Rescuers And Funerals
On June 23 2009 the CIA killed Khwaz Wali Mehsud, a mid-ranking Pakistan Taliban commander. They planned to use his body as bait to hook a larger fish — Baitullah Mehsud, then the notorious leader of the Pakistan Taliban.
‘A plan was quickly hatched to strike Baitullah Mehsud when he attended the man’s funeral,’ according to Washington Post national security correspondent Joby Warrick, in his recent book The Triple Agent. ‘True, the commander happened to be very much alive as the plan took shape. But he would not be for long.’
The CIA duly killed Khwaz Wali Mehsud in a drone strike that killed at least five others. Speaking with the Bureau, Pulitzer Prize-winner Warrick confirmed what his US intelligence sources had told him: ‘The initial target was no doubt a target anyway, as it was described to me, as someone that they were interested in. And as they were planning this attack, a possible windfall from that is that it would shake Mehsud himself out of his hiding place.’
Up to 5,000 people attended Khwaz Wali Mehsud’s funeral that afternoon, including not only Taliban fighters but many civilians. US drones struck again, killing up to 83 people. As many as 45 were civilians, among them reportedly TEN CHILDREN and four tribal leaders.
http://www.infowars.com/...e-targeting-rescuers-and-funerals
I uppercased "TEN CHILDREN" to make you especially happy.
Now, take note, the following photos are not from Obama's funeral attack above, but they DO show Obama's "maximum achievement possible given the circumstances in Congress." I can truly understand how happy this makes you. Enjoy . . .

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crashfrog
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Message 67 of 397 (651736)
02-09-2012 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by dronestar
02-09-2012 4:42 PM


InfoWars? Really?
"InfoWars" is a crank site, Dronster, I won't accept any citation from it.
quote:
Alexander Emerick "Alex" Jones (born February 11, 1974) is an American talk radio host, actor and filmmaker. His syndicated news/talk show The Alex Jones Show, based in Austin, Texas, airs via the Genesis Communication Network over 60 AM, FM, and shortwave radio stations across the United States and on the Internet.[2] His websites include Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.[3]
Mainstream sources have described Jones as a conservative[4][5][6][7] and as a right-wing conspiracy theorist.[8][9][10][11]
Jones sees himself as a libertarian, and rejects being described as a right-winger.[12] He has also called himself a paleoconservative.[13] In a promotional biography he is described as an "aggressive constitutionalist".[14][15]
Alex Jones has been the center of many controversies. Jones has accused the US government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing[16] and September 11 attacks.[17]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_(radio_host)
You'll have to make your case with reputable news sources, not conspiracy theorists.
Now, take note, the following photos are not from Obama's funeral attack above
Then how do I know that they show casualties of any of Obama's drone strikes? Your say-so? But I already know that you'r a liar.

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crashfrog
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Message 68 of 397 (651737)
02-09-2012 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by frako
02-09-2012 4:32 PM


Re: Next campaign as pragmatic and non-idealistic as the last one?
U sure about that it kind of looks like you are employing more people now days and not loosing jobs an indicator that the economy is improving.
It's started to improve, yes. Obviously there's kind of a time lag with these kinds of things. Maybe it'll have improved enough that voters take notice in November, I dunno. I hope so.

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Straggler
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Message 69 of 397 (651789)
02-10-2012 6:13 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by crashfrog
02-09-2012 4:04 PM


Re: Next campaign as pragmatic and non-idealistic as the last one?
Crash writes:
But underachieved? No. I don't think there's even a single example where the Obama Administration has made unforced errors. I think their actions are overwhelmingly both deliberate and deliberated, and represent the maximum achievement possible given the circumstances in Congress.
So it's been one of the most successful administrations ever, blameless for any of the ongoing problems and faultless in everything it has done?
Crash writes:
If anything the Obama administration has been one of unexpected achievement.....
Furthermore you think the Obama administration has actually exceeded expectation. Yet deflated expectation and disillusionment persists.
Straggler writes:
Do you actually even accept that there are feelings of disillusionment amongst many who supported Obama last time (both in the US and around the world) at all?
Crash writes:
Sure. It's just that, like yours, the feelings are based on complete ignorance about our system of government, in particular an enormously inflated view of the President's power to enact domestic policy.
Well on one hand you accuse me of having politically unrealistic expectations but on the other hand you shot me down when I suggested that Obama might have been thwarted from doing what he wanted to do by political realities. What do you think Obama wanted to do that he couldn't do because he lacked the power to enact it?
And where do you think lots of now disillusioned people got the silly idea that he might actually try and do these things?
Straggler writes:
Do you think Obama will get more, less or about the same number of votes in the next election as he got in the last one?
Crash writes:
He'll get less, certainly, but that's the result of the economy being worse now than it was in 2008.
Just that? Do you rememeber "Obamamania" at all? Do you remember the "Yes we can" speeches? Do you rememeber the sense of inspiration last time?
Do you think that will be remotely repeated in the forthcoming election? If not - Is that just a result of the Federal Reserve bank's inaction? What other factors?

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crashfrog
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Message 70 of 397 (651795)
02-10-2012 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Straggler
02-10-2012 6:13 AM


Re: Next campaign as pragmatic and non-idealistic as the last one?
So it's been one of the most successful administrations ever, blameless for any of the ongoing problems and faultless in everything it has done?
Blameless? Faultless? I don't see either of those words in my post. And I wasn't aware that perfection was the standard we expected from our entirely-human politicians.
Obama's racked up win after win and he's poised to do it again for another four years, in spite of the most determined Republican opposition ever mustered and sustained in my lifetime. I think that counts for quite a bit, given that politics is the art of the deal, and the baseline for judging the outcome of a negotiation - any negotiation - isn't whether you got every single thing you could possibly have wanted; it's what you would have gotten had you not negotiated at all.
Furthermore you think the Obama administration has actually exceeded expectation. Yet deflated expectation and disillusionment persists.
Yeah. It's funny, almost as though there's something different about this President compared to all the previous ones that subjects him to a different - you might almost say "double" - standard. I wonder what it could be?
What do you think Obama wanted to do that he couldn't do because he lacked the power to enact it?
Close Guantanamo, for starters. Legislation on climate change - that was an Administration priority that went by the wayside simply because there wasn't a consensus for it in Congress. Of course, Obama's been taking what action is available to him on that, like empowering the EPA to regulate CO2 as a pollutant.
Do you rememeber "Obamamania" at all? Do you remember the "Yes we can" speeches? Do you rememeber the sense of inspiration last time?
What I remember is "PUMA", aka "Party Unity My Ass", when a bunch of Democrats came together to oppose Obama on the basis that Hillary Clinton had been Nominated By God to inherit the White House from her husband, and who the hell was this upstart kid to come in and take it from her? They campaigned for the DLC convention delegates to thwart the primary process and switch their votes from Obama to Clinton, and when they couldn't restore Clinton as the presumptive nominee, a fair number of them decided to vote for McCain instead. What I remember is Joe Lieberman campaigning for McCain.
So what I remember is a Democratic party that's little more than a circular firing squad. Unto this came the presidency of Barack Obama, and look what he's managed to do with a base of support capable of little more than mutual betrayal.
I dunno, maybe you have to live here. Liberal disappointment with Obama is nothing more than the traditional Democratic passtime of liberals shooting themselves in the foot.

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dronestar
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Message 71 of 397 (651807)
02-10-2012 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by crashfrog
02-09-2012 5:18 PM


Re: InfoWars? Really?
Gosh darn it, you're right, I should have went straight to the official White House website to get information. Between "The President's Schedule" and "First Lady Michelle Obama's Xmas Confections" menu items, there SHOULD be an official "Obama's War Crime Atrocity of the Week" menu button. I'll get ALL of my info from there from now on, thanks for the constructive tip Crash!
Seriously, since the us government doesn't wish to document its atrocities AND the corporate media (whose parent company/subsidiaries produce war weapons) would rather divert the public's attention to the Kardashians, I am guessing your desperate "cranksite-card" will be used no matter where I get Obama war crime news from:
Obama Terror Drones: CIA Tactics In Pakistan Include Targeting Rescuers And Funerals
zcommunications.org - zcommunications Resources and Information.
Crash writes:
Then how do I know that they show casualties of any of Obama's drone strikes?
Since you've already pre-constructed in your bipolar mind that I am dishonest, then, without you taking heavy medication, I am assuming there is nothing I can show to someone of your limited integrity and ability.

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crashfrog
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Message 72 of 397 (651808)
02-10-2012 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by dronestar
02-10-2012 9:42 AM


Sources Matter
Gosh darn it, you're right, I should have went straight to the official White House website to get information.
No, you should go to verifiable, legitimate sources of news, not right-wing conspiracy sites run by the guy who thinks the Oklahoma City bombing was an "inside job."
For another sample of the caliber of InfoWars "information":
quote:
Our investigation of the purported Obama birth certificate released by Hawaiian authorities today reveals the document is a shoddily contrived hoax. Infowars.com computer specialists dismissed the document as a fraud soon after examining it.
http://www.infowars.com/...ma-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery
quote:
In a special report for Infowars Nightly News marking the 10th Anniversary of the September 11 attacks, Infowars.com reporter Aaron Dykes reflects upon some of the biggest smoking guns and unanswered questions of 9/11, as well as the legacy of 9/11 truth, which has gained momentum with the public.
http://www.infowars.com/911-inside-job-ten-years-later/
quote:
This is reportedly the largest one day loss of troops in the 10 year war in Afghanistan and it just happens to be Seal Team 6. So now we are to buy that the men who took out OBL died in a helicopter crash months after pulling off the raid. Our inside sources told us months ago that all the Seals on the helicopter that crashed in the so called OBL raid died, yet the Obama admin says none were killed.
Witnesses on the ground in Pakistan told national News outlets that the Seals went in to the compound then came out got in a stealth craft and it exploded. The video with the witnesses is posted on Infowars.com in our news report titled Seal Team 6 Deaths Exposed. Now the globalists may have killed off the rest of the Seal team that made it out in the other stealth helicopter from the OBL raid to tie up loose ends. Bottom line the official bin Laden raid story is a proven fraud so it is no wonder that this story dose not add up.
http://www.infowars.com/seal-team-6-crash-was-an-inside-job/
quote:
Imagine if the world were based on lies. Well, unfortunately, that’s the truth. The lies go far beyond who shot JFK or whether the US government was directly or indirectly involved in 9/11.
When one uses the logical framework of Austrian, free-market analysis to analyze the Way the World Works in the modern age, one inevitably comes to the conclusion that modern society is built around fundamental untruths.
http://www.infowars.com/...ose-who-mock-conspiracy-theorists
Cranks and conspiracy theorists, yet here you are flogging InfoWar's propaganda like it's something we're all supposed to take seriously. You're an idiot, Dronester, and your accusations of "mental illness" are something that would be better served pointed back at you, based on these real verifiable examples I've posted here.
I am guessing your desperate "cranksite-card" will be used no matter where I get Obama war crime news from
No, the "crank site" card only gets used when you insist on presenting propaganda from crank sites. For instance:
quote:
Z Communications is a radical left-wing media group founded in 1986 by Michael Albert and Lydia Sargent.[1] It advocates participatory socialism as a replacement for capitalism.[2] Its publications include Z Magazine, ZNet, Z Media, and Z Video.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_Communications
If your reply is that you have to use ZComm and InfoWars and PrisonPlanet because the rest of the media is in on the conspiracy then you're just proving my point.

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dronestar
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Message 73 of 397 (651810)
02-10-2012 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by crashfrog
02-10-2012 10:04 AM


Re: Sources Matter
Crash writes:
No, the "crank site" card only gets used when you insist on presenting propaganda from crank sites. For instance:
Z Communications - Wikipedia
Thanks for proving my point that you'll desperately call EVERY source of mine illegitimate (PLEASE, check with your doctor about adjusting your medication dose).
From YOUR supplied link:
quote:
Z Communications is based outside Woods Hole, Massachusetts. Regular contributors to its publications include Uri Avnery, Noam Chomsky, Alexander Cockburn, Tim Wise, Amira Hass, Norman Solomon, Robert Fisk, John Pilger, Edward S. Herman, Anthony Arnove, Joshua Frank, Eleanor Bader, Barbara Ehrenreich, Bashir Abu-Manneh, Howard Friel, "Mickey Z", and, formerly, Howard Zinn.
Z Communications - Wikipedia
That you consider the following "cranks" is just dishonest and/or mentally slow:
quote:
Howard Zinn (August 24, 1922 — January 27, 2010) was an American historian, academic, author, playwright, and social activist. Before and during his tenure as a political science professor at Boston University from 1964-88 he wrote more than 20 books, which included his best-selling and influential A People's History of the United States.[2] He wrote extensively about the civil rights and anti-war movements, as well as of the labor history of the United States. His memoir, You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train, was also the title of a 2004 documentary about Zinn's life and work.[3]
Howard Zinn - Wikipedia
quote:
Edward S. Herman (born April 7, 1925) is an American economist and media analyst with a specialty in corporate and regulatory issues as well as political economy and the media. He is Professor Emeritus of Finance at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. He also teaches at Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania. He received his Bachelor of Arts from University of Pennsylvania in 1945 and PhD in 1953 from the University of California, Berkeley.
Edward S. Herman - Wikipedia
quote:
Avram Noam Chomsky (/ˈnoʊm ˈtʃɒmski/; born December 7, 1928) is an American linguist, philosopher,[4][5] cognitive scientist, historian, and activist. He is an Institute Professor and Professor (Emeritus) in the Department of Linguistics & Philosophy at MIT, where he has worked for over 50 years.[6] Chomsky has been described as the "father of modern linguistics"[7][8][9] and a major figure of analytic philosophy.[4] His work has influenced fields such as computer science, mathematics, and psychology.[10][11]
Chomsky is credited as the creator or co-creator of the Chomsky hierarchy, the universal grammar theory, and the Chomsky—Schtzenberger theorem.
Noam Chomsky - Wikipedia
quote:
Robert Fisk (born 12 July 1946) is an English writer and journalist from Maidstone, Kent. As Middle East correspondent of The Independent, he has primarily been based in Beirut for more than 30 years.[1] He has published a number of books and has reported on the United States's war in Afghanistan and its 2003 invasion of Iraq. Fisk holds more British and International Journalism awards than any other foreign correspondent.[2]
Robert Fisk - Wikipedia

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Message 74 of 397 (651811)
02-10-2012 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Straggler
02-10-2012 6:13 AM


Re: Next campaign as pragmatic and non-idealistic as the last one?
Furthermore you think the Obama administration has actually exceeded expectation. Yet deflated expectation and disillusionment persists.
Yes, some people have found it hard to come to terms with the fact that the word "President" is not synonymous with the word "wizard".
The fact is that constitutionally the President is a nobody, it's not like he's Prime Minister. Immediately after the 2008 election I did the math and concluded that the most powerful person in the world was actually Olimpia Snowe. I was right.
Given that, I think that Obama's done a good job.

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Message 75 of 397 (651812)
02-10-2012 10:40 AM
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02-10-2012 9:42 AM


Re: InfoWars? Really?
Gosh darn it, you're right, I should have went straight to the official White House website to get information. Between "The President's Schedule" and "First Lady Michelle Obama's Xmas Confections" menu items, there SHOULD be an official "Obama's War Crime Atrocity of the Week" menu button. I'll get ALL of my info from there from now on, thanks for the constructive tip Crash!
But Alex fucking Jones?
He is to politics what creationists are to biology.

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