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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Our Marxist leaning presidential despot blatantly dictates in one legislating, confirming and signing fell swoop whatever works to destroy this republic. Then it's funny he hasn't had more success in destroying this republic. I mean, it's still here, isn't it? The recession's over, taxes are lower, the stock market's recovered, unemployment is down, corporate profits are at an all-time high, inflation is low, we still have an auto industry, the Iraq war is over, Osama Bin Laden's dead, our standing in the world is considerably higher ... of course, there's a black man in the White House, and that's just wrong, but I think the republic can weather it.
He warned the sheeple, vowing in his campaign, to change America. This is one of the few promises he has kept. You guys do have it hard, don't you? You have to keep a straight face while simultaneously pretending that he's made root and branch changes to the very nature of our society and that he's hardly achieved anything. It would drive me nuts, but then you seem to have less to lose in that respect.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
DA writes: Our Marxist leaning presidential despot blatantly dictates in one legislating, confirming and signing fell swoop whatever works to destroy this republic. Then it's funny he hasn't had more success in destroying this republic. I mean, it's still here, isn't it? The recession's over, taxes are lower, the stock market's recovered, unemployment is down, corporate profits are at an all-time high, inflation is low, we still have an auto industry, the Iraq war is over, Osama Bin Laden's dead, our standing in the world is considerably higher ... of course, there's a black man in the White House, and that's just wrong, but I think the republic can weather it. Yes, a remnant of the republic which the founders established still exists. That remnant has been significantly reduced due to some fulfilled campaign promises of change by our executive despot in chief. The recession is not over by any means. The lamestream media rarely airs a fair and balanced political view, being nearly all liberal Democrat Obama supporters. The housing market is still in recession except for a few selective locations where conservatives have managed to keep union leaders (mostly Obama & government oriented jobs) at bay, limit state liberal government mandates imposing high property welfare doles regulations and income tax burdens, upon businesses and upon citizens at large. Much of what has raised the stock market is not the value of the stock book values. It is the inflation of the US $$ which has raised the cost of just about everything. Week by week and month by month the increase in food prices, fuel energy prices, commodities, etc ever escalate, whereas previous to this administration it was a yearly thing. Obama mandates via executive order. In addition he mandates by his appointments of over a dozen czars who are not accountable to congress or the people, essentially circumventing the elected legislative branch. Liberal governors mandate democrat supporting unions for state jobs, the dues of whom are used largely for bribing politicians. These in turn bribe the Obama administration via imposing politically advantageous policies up their citizens. This all trickles down all to the way to county governments. For example, here in my county, the percentage of welfare, SS disability, grants, government union employees, early government school and law enforcement retirees (many who double dip) is so high that their vote overwhelms that of property owners, businesses and non government private citizens. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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The recession is not over by any means. What do you base this conclusion on? GDP? Nope, recession's over according to GDP (though we've got a lot of catching up to do to make it back to where we were supposed to be by now.) Employment? No, Obama's reversed the trend and jobs are coming back. Industry capacity? If a recession is still on, it'll show up in the form of factories shuttered and other forms of unused manufacturing capacity: Nope, wrong again. Capacity utilization is up and rising, implying that businesses are putting people back to work. How about personal consumption? If the recession is over, people will have more money in their pockets to spend: Huh, would you look at that? I realize you're graph-illiterate, Buz, so let me spell it out for you - that the recession is over isn't a media conspiracy, it's economic fact. Obama reversed it. The kid wins again.
Much of what has raised the stock market is not the value of the stock book values. It is the inflation of the US $$ Ah, right. Inflation. Your invisible inflation that Obama has purposefully created, somehow, yet can't be seen anywhere in the price of anything: That's the semiannual averaged percent change in the CPA. As you can see it's never been over 2% since the Bush administration; most economists suggest that a 4% rate of inflation is about where we'd like to be. The inflation you're complaining about is a figment of your imagination, and always has been. I bet you can't supply even a single piece of evidence for it, but somehow that won't convince you of anything except how carefully the Kenyan Muslim has covered his tracks. Right?
In addition he mandates by his appointments of over a dozen czars who are not accountable to congress or the people, essentially circumventing the elected legislative branch. Well, that's 100% wrong. Firstly, there's no such thing as a "czar", that's a media term for Executive branch advisors. Secondly, Bush had over 30 czars in his administration, far more than Obama ever has. And thirdly, as we saw in the case of Elizabeth Warren, Obama's nominated Consumer Protection "czar", approval of Congress is absolutely required and it's not pro forma - they can filibuster or outright deny the appointment as they see fit. As they did, with Elizabeth Warren, to the great misfortune of the American people.
For example, here in my county, the percentage of welfare, SS disability, grants, government union employees, early government school and law enforcement retirees (many who double dip) is so high that their vote overwhelms that of property owners, businesses and non government private citizens. It continues to be a source of amazement that all of the conservatives, like yourself, who are in the former group always seem to think they're in the latter. You live on the dole, Buz. Don't think we forgot. And your continued disparagement of the public assistance you have no shame about extending your hand for is classless.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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You see those things crashfrog posted?
They're called "facts". Don't be afraid. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Buz, your reaction?
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Morning Crashfrog! I will give you a reaction.... First, its hard to argue with statistics when they are correctly applied and in context.
Yet I still read from many sources that our country has already taken the path towards higher inflation (we have a bet, IIRC) and that it will definitely show its ugly head within the next three-five years. If these hucksters are wrong, where do I send your check?
The Federal Reserve’s Explicit Goal: Devalue the Dollar 33% Persistent Questions About the Future of the US Economy These are examples of the type of thinking that I read. Are they simply hucksters?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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If these hucksters are wrong, where do I send your check? Don't we have a ten-year bet? I'll let you know then, since I'll likely have moved twice by that time.
These are examples of the type of thinking that I read. Are they simply hucksters? Yes. Do you notice:
quote: that there's no discussion here of the fact that the American population and productivity will grow during the same period of time? That matters, don't you think? Since the amount the dollar can buy is the amount of dollars (admittedly growing) divided by the amount of things to buy (also growing!) You can always say that inflation is "just around the corner" but that's if current policy continues past the point where the economy has recovered from the recession. But why would you continue current policy at that point? Imagine if your car drove off the side of the road, and your driver refuses to turn the wheel and bring the car back onto the road, because if he keeps going in that direction, he'll drive right off the other side of the road. But why would you keep going in that direction? Why wouldn't you get back on the road and then straighten the wheel?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Strag writes: Then why do so many people feel so disenchanted and disillusioned? Well, two possible answers: 1. The voting public wasn't paying attention to SENATOR Obama's voting record. The ignorant public ERRONEOUSLY thought "change" and "hope" (and ponies?) were being offered, so they now feel disenchanted and disillusioned. 2. Actually, there is no disenchantment and no disillusion. Some of the voting public WAS paying attention to SENATOR Obama's voting record. Some of the public knew NO change or hope were being offered. However, to be sure, ponies were given, just not to the 99%ers, as we'll see . . . Let's look at Obama the SENATOR and see what type of man he was BEFORE taking the White House. 1. As a SENATOR, Obama (a supposed "professor of constitutional law") clearly showed that he supported illegal, unconstitutional actions; while a SENATOR he voted FOR illegal wiretapping (HR 6304). It retro-actively took criminality off of telecommunication companies AND Bush Jr. This action SHOULD have been a HUGE red flag for ALL voters of things to come. 2. As a SENATOR, Obama clearly showed that he SUPPORTED impeachable offenses:The 35 Articles of Impeachment by Kucinich was never supported by Obama. I ask, exactly who was surprised that the war crimes committed by the Bush Administration was never investigated by Obama? People expecting ponies? Obama took an oath to uphold the constitution and laws, but that only meant for the 99%, not for the other 1%. Efforts to impeach George W. Bush - Wikipedia Not only didn't Obama assign investigators to Bush Jr. war crimes, President Obama ALSO went out of his way to PROTECT Bush Jr. . . .
quote: Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe – Mother Jones 3. As a SENATOR, Obama clearly showed that his real masters are on Wall Street.
quote:zcommunications.org - zcommunications Resources and Information. The company Obama keeps are 1%ers. The criminal bailout and the bonus pay for CEOs represented theft on the largest scale ever witnessed. Once in the white house, why would anyone think Obama would ever investigate his close friend's crimes? 4. As a SENATOR, Obama's voting record clearly showed he was on the corporate 1%'s side:
quote:zcommunications.org - zcommunications Resources and Information. 5. As a SENATOR, Obama voted for every bill that funded illegal and immoral wars. He may have stated that the Iraq was a "dumb" war, but there wasn't a bill funding the death of innocent Iraqi/Afghani women and children that Obama didn't RUSH to approve. Indeed, Obama desperately tried to EXTEND the illegal and immoral Iraqi war occupation beyond Bush Jr.'s status of forces agreement. But, fortunately, the Iraqi's would not allow continuing immunity from persecution of war crimes (like in Fallujah) by american troops (demanded by Obama). If a person is disappointed with Obama's actions as the president, then doesn't that simply mean they weren't paying attention to Obama's actions as a SENATOR? More to come . . . How many impeachable crimes has Obama committed compared to Bush Jr.?zcommunications.org - zcommunications Resources and Information.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Who ever said Obama doesn't deliver ponies?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1494 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
quote: http://www.bizjournals.com/...would-cut-corporate-taxes.html In the meantime, Kuchinich is such a stand-up guy that he's doing nearly nothing to prevent his own district from being gerrymandered away, which is why he's Dronester's favorite politician - prone to completely ineffective grandstanding, because it's more important to die on the right hills than to win elections. Well, at this rate, Kuchinich will leave the House never having lost one - but he'll be gone, nonetheless.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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Yup, just saw this news.
Obama wants to cut corporate tax rate to 28% as part of overhaul
quote:This is exactly what the republican candidates have been advocating. Now, sit back and watch republican candidates go back on their own words just because that's Obama's plan now and anything that Obama does is fascism. While driving to work yesterday, I was listening in on npr. They were interviewing the governor of Michigan, Rick Snyder. It's obvious that saving the auto industry saved Michigan. But since Rick is a supporter of Romney, he couldn't possibly admit that saving the auto industry saved Michigan. That was my prediction before I started listening to the interview anyway. So, the host asked Snyder if he thought saving the auto industry saved Michigan's econ. And sure enough, my prediction came through. He talked for about a minute round and round in circles that pretty much admitted saving the auto industry saved Michigan but without actually admitting it up front. Classic example of a cop-out answer. Anyway, the host then asked if he supported bailing out the auto industry. Snyder said he didn't have any comment on that. You could tell in the entire interview that he really thought saving the auto industry helped his state. But since he already swore loyalty to Romney, he couldn't actually say anything that could possibly be in favor of Obama. So, he just ended up giving cop-out answers.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
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Obama wants to cut corporate tax rate to 28% as part of overhaul LoL. The liar in chief is in campaign mode. just as he was when he lulled the sheeple in his first campaign. He leaves orders with his Congressional bypassing regime full of unaccountable dictatorial czars before departing on each tax paid paid vacation and campaign trip so as to be personally unaccountable for nothing. Edited by Buzsaw, : fix quotesBUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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He's unaccountable for nothing?
I'm sure that there are some things that he's unaccountable for. Watch out for those double negatives. Let's face it, you're a joke.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3265 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined:
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This is exactly what the republican candidates have been advocating. Not quite. Obama wants to cut the corporate tax rate to 28%, but wants to pay for doing so by closing loopholes that have allowed some businesses to pay far less in taxes, with some even paying none at times. The Republicans, who are so focused on paying for any new programs that they almost didn't pass the payroll tax credit extension, want to reduce the corporate tax rate to as low as 25%, but leave all the loopholes in place...essentially making the deficit even bigger without "paying for it" elsewhere. So, the Republicans haven't been asking for the same thing, they've been asking for something irresponsible and dumb. Edited by Perdition, : speeling
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
You're rite of course. Can't wait to see their responses.
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