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Buz, have you actually looked into the accuracy of this lunatic's claims?

Santorum: Higher Education a Plot to Secularize America – Mother Jones

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here's the latest:

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On the president’s efforts to boost college attendance, Santorum said, I understand why Barack Obama wants to send every kid to college, because of their indoctrination mills, absolutely ... The indoctrination that is going on at the university level is a harm to our country.

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He claimed that 62 percent of kids who go into college with a faith commitment leave without it, but declined to cite a source for the figure. And he floated the idea of requiring that universities that receive public funds have intellectual diversity on campus.

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Now, this is a new one to me. It's commonplace for movement conservatives to believe that universities are dens of depravity and radical left indoctrination. So far, so normal. But as far as I know, most of them don't believe that efforts to get more kids into college are motivated by a desire to destroy their faith. That's a step beyond even normal wingnut land.

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Then there is his silly grandstanding misinterpretation of the wall between church and state, as stated by Kennedy.[/puke]Next will we see Mitt try to out fanatic this?Enjoy

So we get 'intellectual diversity" by testing everyone and then making sure we have some really really fucking stupid students, really fucking stupid students, plain fucking stupid students, smart students, brilliant students and geniuses?Well at least we know, even with out the test, that Santorum is in the really really fucking stupid class. Man I hope he gets the nomination!

Well of course. Citing sources would make him one of Them.

Hi Dr Adequate, Actually I remember this being brought up here, although I can't vouch for the actual percentage. Can't find the reference.The problem of course is conflating kids with falsified beliefs (such as a young earth and\or misinformation about evolution, then being confronted with the evidence that shows such beliefs to be false, and the subsequent loss of faith) with kids of all other faiths.Losing or letting go of falsified beliefs is a good thing, isn't it? Isn't that what a good education is all about?Don't blame college for faith loss, experts tell Santorum - The Salt Lake Tribune

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There is no statistical difference in the dropout rate among those who attended college and those that did not attend college, said Thom Rainer, president of the Southern Baptists’ LifeWay Christian Resources research firm. Going to college doesn’t make you a religious dropout.

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So the kids lose (dropout) faith whether they go to college or not? Should they not be comparing the dropout rates for kids of different religious backgrounds instead? That's an expert?

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A 2007 LifeWay survey did find seven in 10 Protestants ages 18 to 30 who went to church regularly in high school said they quit attending by age 23. The real causes: lack of a robust faith, strongly committed parents and an essential church connection, Rainer said.

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LOL: it's the parents fault not the school ... the kids don't have a strong enough faith ...Perhaps it's because they were told things that just are not true and that led them to question the whole kit and kaboodle?[abe]: this article ...
College Kills Faith? - FactCheck.org
... provides more information on what Santorum probably based his claim on, as well as showing how much Santorum misrepresented Obama's position, when in fact it matches his own (or what he claims anyway).Of course the gullible will not be swayed by the actual facts.[abe]Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : abe

Hi Tanypteryx, What, some kind of affirmative action for kids that don't make the grade?Or does he mean that there should be courses in astrology?Enjoy.

Astrology is hard, RAZD! Almost as bad as remembering your dilutions in homeopathy!

Not when those beliefs are The TRVTH.^TM

Yes, Santorum is a buffoon. No question about that. But an idiot politician is no real surprise. The most amusing part is the cheering throngs that don't even blink at this stuff. Only in America can a politician go on ranting, incoherent tirades against higher education, affordable health care, and the environment in their own country and get a standing O.Seriously, are there actually large numbers of people who not only don't want to go to college, but also don't want their children to have the opportunity?

In the US, Avoidance Schools as well as Avoidance TV and Avoidance Web Browsers and Avoidance Textbooks are big business.Look up the lyrics to "Old Time Religion" and then change that the word religion to education and you will get a feel for the CCoI.

I don't honestly think that is the case. I think it's the way yahoos like Santorum pander the idea. "The government is MAKING your child get an education and you don't have a choice." They know how to elicit the fear of the boogeyman "big government" to their conservative base. The people who are cheering don't actually listen to what the guy says. They don't put two and two together with what he means. There intentions only become visible to people who actually think for themselves and can interpret the meaning of his speeches and those people wouldn't be cheering him in the first place or even be at the rally.That, or there really are people who despise/fear education and see no need for it. "I can learn everything I need to know from my bible or on the job".

They don't want other people's children to have the opportunity. They've been convinced that they'll be able to afford it; it's just those other leeches that want the free ride.JonEdited by Jon, : magical desires

wonder what those debates would have been like if there had been a truth checking panel with a big buzzer ...

from
Mitt Romney Recalls Parade That Occurred Before He Was Born | HuffPost Latest News

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Mitt Romney came under criticism Monday for recalling a seminal moment from his childhood in Detroit that actually took place nine months before he was born.

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Mitch Potter of the Toronto Star on Monday questioned a tale that the former Massachusetts governor recently told to a Tea Party crowd of attending the Golden Jubilee. Romney told the gathering in Milford, Mich., he was "probably 4 or something" at the time of the jubilee, which attracted 750,000 people to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the American automobile. There was just one problem.

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"The Golden Jubilee described so vividly by Romney was indeed an epic moment in automotive lore," Potter writes. "The parade included one of the last public appearances by an elderly Henry Ford. And it took place June 1, 1946 -- fully nine months before Romney was born."

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Who needs facts when you're pandering ...Enjoy.

It would have sounded like someone playing Operation in the middle of an 8.0 earthquake.