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dronester
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Message 16 of 36 (655195)
03-08-2012 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by jar
03-08-2012 1:43 PM


Re: "I really just don't spend that much time on him"
jar writes:

And the US has NOT captured and controlled oil fields in either Afghanistan or Iraq.

Then I guess all the american servicemen have died in vain just like all those ignorant but "patriotic" german troops who invaded Poland.

1. (it's the pipeline that goes through Afghanistan that delivers the natural gas that america wants to control. December 4, 1997 (BEFORE 9/11). Taleban in Texas for talks on gas pipeline http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm)

2. . . . a central component of the Persian Gulf resources that the State Department, in 1945, described as "a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history", namely the region's vast reserves of crude oil. Middle Eastern oil was regarded in Washington as "probably the richest economic prize in the world in the field of foreign investment", in what President Eisenhower described as the most "strategically important area in the world".
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20021203.htm

3. Read the mission statement for the now discredited Project for the New American Century. Bush Jr.'s cabinet comprised most of these members. Since 1998 (BEFORE 9/11) they strongly pushed for an Iraqi invasion to secure Iraqi's energy resources and to exert America's lone superpower status.

4. Read about the Hydrocarbon Act. Except for three scant lines, the entire 33-page hydrocarbon law creates a structure to facilitate the privatization of Iraqs oil. Simply put, the resolution demands the privatization of Iraqi oil by blocking over a billion dollars in reconstruction funds if the Iraqis refuse to comply. Its passage sends a strong message that the United States is not in Iraq to help the Iraqi people or defend democracy, but that this war is solely about oil.

Kucinich: Congress Endorses Blackmail of Iraq 
http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?Docume...

5. When American troops illegally and immorally invaded Iraq, the troops didn't guard the hospitals, police precincts, or museums of priceless, ancient antiquities. But, what did they guard successfully? Answer: The Ministry of OIL Building.

5. Dick Chaney's secret meetings with Oil Companies.
America faces a major energy supply crisis over the next two decades, Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham told a National Energy Summit on March 19, 2001. The failure to meet this challenge will threaten our nations economic prosperity, compromise our national security, and literally alter the way we lead our lives.

The Washington Post reported on November 15, 2005 that it had obtained documents detailing how executives from major oil corporations, including Exxon-Mobil Corp., Conoco, Royal Dutch Shell Oil Corp., and the American subsidiary of British Petroleum met with Energy Task Force participants while they were developing national energy policy. Vice President Cheney was reported to have met personally with the Chief Executive Officer of BP (formerly British Petroleum) during the time of the Energy Task Force's activities.

On July 18, 2007, the Washington Post reported the names of those involved in the Task Force, . . . Among those in the meetings were James J. Rouse, then vice president of Exxon Mobil and a major donor to the Bush inauguration; Kenneth L. Lay, then head of Enron Corp. . . . Red Cavaney, president of the American Petroleum Institute; and Eli Bebout, an old friend of Cheney's from Wyoming who serves in the state Senate and owns an oil and drilling company.[12]

Most of the activities of the Energy Task Force have not been disclosed to the public, even though Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests (since 19 April 2001) have sought to gain access to its materials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force

I'm off-topic, you can have the last word.


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Message 17 of 36 (655196)
03-08-2012 2:52 PM
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03-08-2012 2:44 PM


Just the facts, no innuendo.
The fact remains that Sudan and Uganda both have proven oil and natural gas reserves and there is no evidence that the US invaded either Afghanistan or Iraq to control oil or natural gas fields or a non existent pipeline through Afghanistan.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 18 of 36 (655329)
03-09-2012 2:12 PM


Here's what I have found so far
its difficult because much is sensational almost propaganda like the original video.

The Aussies from journeyman are okay, and I like to at least listen to their POV on issues whether i agree with them or not.

Here is a list of their videos for this Kony Topic.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?feature=iv&annotation_id=...


  
Jon
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Message 19 of 36 (655342)
03-09-2012 4:32 PM


C'mon!
Oh puhlease!

This flower-power, hippie, grassroots bullshit advocated in this video is nonsense.

If people really wanna stop this monkey tyrant, they'll get on a plane, grab some guns, and head off into the jungle to hunt him down and gut him like the pathetic excuse of a human being he is.

Asking the U.S. government to pretty please send some army men to fight Kony is just lame.


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Message 20 of 36 (655359)
03-09-2012 6:19 PM
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03-09-2012 4:32 PM


Re: C'mon!
Oh puhlease!
This flower-power, hippie, grassroots bullshit advocated in this video is nonsense.

If people really wanna stop this monkey tyrant, they'll get on a plane, grab some guns, and head off into the jungle to hunt him down and gut him like the pathetic excuse of a human being he is.

Asking the U.S. government to pretty please send some army men to fight Kony is just lame.

I hear that Dog the Bounty Hunter has reasonable fees.


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Message 21 of 36 (655362)
03-09-2012 6:37 PM
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03-09-2012 6:19 PM


Re: C'mon!
I hear that Dog the Bounty Hunter has reasonable fees.

Better yet if he video tapes it!


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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 22 of 36 (655365)
03-09-2012 7:09 PM
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03-09-2012 4:32 PM


Re: C'mon!
I think it is just another African scam to get money from people. Kony has been out of Uganda for a few years now; the "war" is over already. Odd that the government of Uganda is just as bad but nothing is said about them. something smells funny here indeed.
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Jon
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Message 23 of 36 (655395)
03-10-2012 12:45 AM
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03-09-2012 7:09 PM


Re: C'mon!
I think it is just another African scam to get money from people. Kony has been out of Uganda for a few years now; the "war" is over already. Odd that the government of Uganda is just as bad but nothing is said about them. something smells funny here indeed.

The whole continent is rife with corruption. But I guess that's the nature of the colonial legacy. And since it's our fault, I suppose it's our job to fix the shit too.


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Message 24 of 36 (655630)
03-12-2012 8:41 AM
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03-10-2012 12:45 AM


Re: C'mon!
not OUR fault. It the Europeans and the UKians fault.

Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.


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Message 25 of 36 (655651)
03-12-2012 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Artemis Entreri
03-12-2012 8:41 AM


The WHOLE continent is rife with corruption?
Jon writes:

The whole continent is rife with corruption. But I guess that's the nature of the colonial legacy. And since it's our fault, I suppose it's our job to fix the shit too.

AE writes:

not OUR fault. It the Europeans and the UKians fault.

Referring to the WHOLE continent, not just Uganda . . .

quote:
Along with Ethiopia, Liberia is one of the two modern countries in Sub-Saharan Africa without roots in the European colonization of Africa. Beginning in 1820, the region was colonized by freed American slaves with the help of the American Colonization Society, a private organization that believed ex-slaves would have greater freedom and equality in Africa.

The country began to modernize in the 1940s following investment by the United States during World War II

Today, Liberia is recovering from the lingering effects of the civil war and related economic dislocation, with about 85% of the population living below the international poverty line.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia

My point is only that America is an African colonizer too.

Edited by dronester, : clarity


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Message 26 of 36 (655652)
03-12-2012 1:27 PM
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03-10-2012 12:45 AM


Re: C'mon!
Jon writes:

And since it's our fault, I suppose it's our job to fix the shit too.

its not our job to correct the distant past, nor fix mistakes when we ourselves have no money to do such things and when we ourselves were not directly responsible. C'mon, man! This is the 21st century and there is work needing done here...in the States.
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Message 27 of 36 (655674)
03-12-2012 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Jon
03-09-2012 4:32 PM


Re: C'mon!
If people really wanna stop this monkey tyrant, they'll get on a plane, grab some guns, and head off into the jungle to hunt him down and gut him like the pathetic excuse of a human being he is.

I agree with this sentiment. If a dead Kony is your ultimate goal, then why not just use the money hire some mercs and go after him Predator style:

Asking the U.S. government to pretty please send some army men to fight Kony is just lame.

I think they want to be "the good guys" here and do it in more politically correct way. In that sense, killing Kony isn't their ultimate goal.


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Message 28 of 36 (655737)
03-13-2012 8:42 AM
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03-12-2012 8:41 AM


Re: C'mon!
not OUR fault. It the Europeans and the UKians fault.

We have prospered unimaginably from the rape of the third world; this includes countries in Africa colonized by Europeans even after the establishment of the U.S.

This makes us responsible.


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Message 29 of 36 (655738)
03-13-2012 8:45 AM
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03-12-2012 1:27 PM


Re: C'mon!
its not our job to correct the distant past, nor fix mistakes when we ourselves have no money to do such things

Get real, Phat. We have plenty of money to do these things. It's time to stop pretending that the millionaire in the mansion on the hill is poor because he didn't get his tax break this year.

and when we ourselves were not directly responsible

We prospered from it. We still prosper from it. We are still responsible for it.

This is the 21st century

Which is why I would think we could act more civilized than 'let them rot; they ain't our mess to clean up'.

there is work needing done here...in the States.

Sure... But who says we cannot also do work there? Or, are you against job creation?

Jon


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Message 30 of 36 (655750)
03-13-2012 10:40 AM
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03-12-2012 1:27 PM


Re: C'mon!
Hi, Phat.

Phat writes:

its not our job to correct the distant past, nor fix mistakes when we ourselves have no money to do such things and when we ourselves were not directly responsible.

I don't know about this. I mean, I agree that people shouldn't inherit the blame for the mess their progenitors made; but we can't really deny that our current prosperity and their current poverty are connected in some ways.

Decent humans (even decent humans who are personally innocent) should feel a little guilty about that, shouldn't they?


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