The Awesome Obama Thread II

Whoops, my apologies. Errr, perhaps I am misunderstanding you, but Obama wasn't in office yet to vote on the AUMF. There are some thoughts from Obama that he MIGHT have voted for the AUMF:

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In July of `04, Barack Obama, "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don't know," in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: "There's not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush's position at this stage." That was July of `04. And this: "I think" there's "some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war."

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SEN. OBAMA: Now, Tim, that first quote was made... when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it, it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party's nominees' decisions when it came to Iraq.

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My "badgering" of Jar is because he writes ridiculous things like the following (Yeah, yeah, I should just ignore him):

Yes, I am aware you vote republican. Since you have absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about the Bush Jr. Administration, I guess you have a clear conscience. Okay, point taken, will work on it, thanks.

Am I mistaken that there was a thread that YOU asserted that you voted republican because you were afraid of what democrats might do? It was a joke. The winking smile emoticon should have clued you in. Sheesh.Edited by dronester, : No reason given.

Arguments of sovereignty, back on the table . . .

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March 12, 2012 Pakistan Ends Drone Strikes in Blow to U.S. War on Terror
Pakistan’s sovereignty over its airspace and the civilian casualties that have resulted from drone strikes are emotional issues in Pakistan, where public opinion heavily favors terminating drone missions, Pakistani officials say

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The [Obama] administration authorized 53 drone attacks in 2009 and 117 in 2010, compared with 35 in 2008 under former President George W. Bush

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Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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Pakistan tells US to end drone strikes

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The News International: Latest News Breaking, Pakistan NewsIf the Afghani population were given a voice, I suspect they too would want the drones to stop.

Gasp!!! In that event, do you suppose Obama might then be branded a . . . a . . . a . . . war criminal?[Dronester, with wide-eyes, slacked-jaw, just can't believe Rahvin opened up that can of worms]

My message Message 306 was about Pakistan. Try again.

Minnemooseus, NWR, and Rahvin: Crash sways you? Really? . . . This is just a dumb statement. Maybe the following two examples will highlight his hypocrisy and small-mindedness.

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The U.S. is the only country that was condemned for international terrorism by the World Court and that rejected a Security Council resolution calling on states to observe international law.

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http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/200111--02.htm

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‪Nicaragua v. United States‬

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The Republic of Nicaragua v. The United States of America[1] was a 1984 case of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in which the ICJ ruled in favor of Nicaragua and against the United States and awarded reparations to Nicaragua. The ICJ held that the U.S. had violated international law by supporting the Contras in their rebellion against the Nicaraguan government and by mining Nicaragua's harbors. The United States refused to participate in the proceedings after the Court rejected its argument that the ICJ lacked jurisdiction to hear the case. The U.S. later blocked enforcement of the judgment by the United Nations Security Council and thereby prevented Nicaragua from obtaining any actual compensation.[2] The Nicaraguan government finally withdrew the complaint from the court in September 1992 (under the later, post-FSLN, government of Violeta Chamorro), following a repeal of the law requiring the country to seek compensation.[3]

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The Court found in its verdict that the United States was "in breach of its obligations under customary international law not to use force against another State", "not to intervene in its affairs", "not to violate its sovereignty", "not to interrupt peaceful maritime commerce", and "in breach of its obligations under Article XIX of the Treaty of Friendship, Commerce and Navigation between the Parties signed at Managua on 21 January 1956."

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The Court had 16 final decisions upon which it voted. In Statement 9, the Court stated that the U.S. encouraged human rights violations by the Contras by the manual entitled Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare. However, this did not make such acts attributable to the U.S.[4]

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Nicaragua v. United States - WikipediaLuis Posada Carriles

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On the thirtieth anniversary of the missile crisis, Cuba protested a machine-gun attack against a Spanish-Cuban tourist hotel; responsibility was claimed by a group in Miami. Bombings in Cuba in 1997, which killed an Italian tourist, were traced back to Miami. The perpetrators were Salvadoran criminals operating under the direction of Luis Posada Carriles and financed in Miami. One of the most notorious international terrorists, Posada had escaped from a Venezuelan prison, where he had been held for the Cubana airliner bombing, with the aid of Jorge Mas Canosa, a Miami businessman who was the head of the tax-exempt Cuban-American National Foundation (CANF). Posada went from Venezuela to El Salvador, where he was put to work at the Ilopango military air base to help organize US terrorist attacks against Nicaragua under Oliver North's direction.
Posada has described in detail his terrorist activities and the funding for them from exiles and CANF in Miami, but felt secure that he would not be investigated by the FBI. He was a Bay of Pigs veteran, and his subsequent operations in the 1960s were directed by the CIA. When he later joined Venezuelan intelligence with CIA help, he was able to arrange for Orlando Bosch, an associate from his CIA days who had been convicted in the US for a bomb attack on a Cuba-bound freighter, to join him in Venezuela to organize further attacks against Cuba. An ex-CIA official familiar with the Cubana bombing identifies Posada and Bosch as the only suspects in the bombing, which Bosch defended as "a legitimate act of war." Generally considered the "mastermind" of the airline bombing, Bosch was responsible for thirty other acts of terrorism, according to the FBI. He was granted a presidential pardon in 1989 by the incoming Bush I administration after intense lobbying by Jeb Bush and South Florida Cuban-American leaders, overruling the Justice Department, which had found the conclusion "inescapable that it would be prejudicial to the public interest for the United States to provide a safe haven for Bosch [because] the security of this nation is affected by its ability to urge credibly other nations to refuse aid and shelter to terrorists."

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http://www.chomsky.info/books/hegemony02.htm

Gee, if only I corroborated my post with another source.
(cough, cough, Nicaragua v. United States - Wikipedia. However, let me go check that Official White House website for additional terrorist info) Wow, talk about song of the desperate! Because you don't have any adequate reply, you reach back into ancient history about your willfull misinterpretation about my Iraqi "embassy" item? (I recall, ALL others refuted your fanciful interpretation, and not ONE person sided with you) Just wow.Song. Of. The. Desperate! Yes, because you, Crashfrog, finds something STUPID and INSENSITVE, are not going to respond further.It burns. It just burns.

Yes, I already noted you struggle with a great many of things. It, continues, to burn.

The 9/11 plotters lived in Germany. Should we send drones there?The 9/11 plotters also lived in the USA. Should we drone ourselves?Germany shuts 9/11 plotters' mosque in Hamburg
Just a moment...

Please re-read this thread and the original Obama thread for details.I hate that SENATOR Obama and president Obama (who swore an oath to protect the constitution and its laws) protects Bush Jr from criminal investigation (I have repeatedly wrote about how PRESIDENT Obama intervened in Spain on Bush's account. It doesn't seem to bother any one else). No, Obama did not inherit the wars. SENATOR Obama helped create the wars by funding EVERY war vote (the Vietnam war ended simply because congress stopped funding it). And, as a SENATOR, not supporting the articles of impeachment against Bush Jr. In effect, you are offering me the steering wheel AFTER the car has left the cliff. (I suppose I can now at least take my foot off the gas pedal.) Outside of america, the US has no credibility and are seen as immoral and illegal invaders. The UN is not perfect, but it is a better choice. The quicker the changeover the better.

Don't forget the hot wife. (Meooow!) Your other piffle (apparently embraced by others on this forum) has been addressED repeatedly.

Iraq didn't attack the US. Terrorists, mostly from Saudi Arabia and based in Saudi Arabia attacked the US. And the country of Afghanistan did not attack us. Now, I understand you didn't say Iraq DID attack the US, but you could be explicit and indicate that is WAS immoral and illegal for america to attack Iraq.

Huh?Am I misunderstanding? You're saying ending the Vietnam war was BAD?

Oh no, not the defunct humanistic utilitarian POV!For the mother of god, no Rahvin, no, . . . nooooo.