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Theodoric

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Message 84 of 177 (654874)
03-05-2012 9:36 AM

Reply to: Message 83 by Percy
03-05-2012 8:59 AM

Re: Reply to PAulK

Anyway, if nothingness can be a cause of the universe, then I'm fine with the Kalam Cosmological Argument.

I agree.

This would would make it absolutely meaningless and point out the word salad that it truly is.

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Message 133 of 177 (656094)
03-16-2012 2:02 PM

Reply to: Message 131 by kbertsche
03-16-2012 9:58 AM

Re: Always existing.

The God of the Bible is a transcendent being, with no beginning and with infinite age. He created the universe and time itself. He is not bound by the time of the universe which He created.

I don't see a contradiction in this

But this means nothing. It is mumbo-jumbo and word salad. The words all have meaning but how you have put them together means nothing?

This leads to another step back if this is correct. Where did this god character come from.

with no beginning and with infinite age.

means nothing. If anything it shows intellectual and philosophical laziness.

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Message 150 of 177 (656356)
03-17-2012 9:56 PM

Reply to: Message 143 by kbertsche
03-17-2012 11:54 AM

Re: Always existing.

The concept of something "transcending the universe" is "mumbo-jumbo and word salad" to you?

Yup

Are you so wedded to a naturalistic worldview that you can't even conceive of such a thing?

Well I am sure if you could tell me what it means I could conceive of it, but unless there is evidence the conception is meaningless.

I can conceive such a thing as the world of Harry Potter and the Muppets and even Brothers Grimm, but there is no evidence for them either.

Do you believe in alchemy too?

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