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Author Topic:   Trickle Down Economics - Does It Work?
Jon
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Message 7 of 404 (659059)
04-12-2012 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
04-12-2012 9:00 AM


Unleash the wealth of the wealthiest by cutting their taxes and removing any regulations that might stifle their entrepreneurial activity and we will all be better off as a result. If we stop taking away the wealth of those who are wealth creators they will put their superior wealth generating talents to use through investment and the result will be jobs, economic growth, innovation and raised living standards for all.
That is the theory.
Does it work? What does the evidence say? I'm not interested in left-wing arguments about what is "fair" here. Nor am I interested in right-wing arguments proclaiming that tax is "theft" and suchlike.
What I want to know is what does the evidence say about trickle-down economics and it's effect on living standards for the workforce as a whole. Does it benefit the majority (as it's advocates suggest) or does it benefit the wealthy minority at the expense of the majority (as it's detractors suggest)?
What evidence is there and what does this evidence tell us?
If there's any truth to it, then it should have been working long ago, since even after taxes the wealthy are still very wealthy.
The rich have always had substantial wealth. So far the notion that they will voluntarily start unleashing loads of it if their taxes are lower has proven to be little more than a Reaganomic dream.
Because the truth is that wealth trickles up. People who are wealth creators are only good at creating wealth for themselves, which they do in large part by siphoning it out of the rest of society (I mean, it has to come from somewhere, right?).
Jon

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Jon
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Message 21 of 404 (659141)
04-12-2012 7:18 PM
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04-12-2012 11:04 AM


Advocates of trickle down do not think that the wealthy should get less wealthy. They think that making the wealthy wealthier makes us all wealthier in turn.
And this is nonsense because the wealthy have always been wealthy. Where's the trickling?
And for the past few decades, the wealthy have paid substantially less in taxes than previously. And look... we's all still poor!
In theory it is new wealth. New wealth created as a result of the entrepreneurial endevours of those whose investment wealth has been unleashed.
Sure. But who digs up the resources? Who transforms them into products? Who sells them? Who buys them?
If we look at all the steps that go into generating wealth, we see that the biggest roles are played by the working poor and middle class. These are the folk actually generating the wealth. Yet when we look at who gets the wealth...
Like I said, all these 'wealth creators' are only creating wealth for themselves, which becomes theirs only because they snatch it off the backs of the people actually generating it.
Wealth trickles flows up. If ever it 'trickles down', the effects are negligible.
Jon

Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 32 of 404 (659199)
04-13-2012 11:32 AM
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04-13-2012 5:59 AM


The problem is that you are crediting the wrong people with all that increased prosperity.
The wealthy don't install indoor plumbing.
The wealthy don't grow food.
The wealthy don't build schools and hospitals.
All this prosperity is created by the activities of the poor and middle class. It is all this stuff that drives prosperity; and it's the poor and middle class that make that stuff.
Jon

Love your enemies!

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