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jar
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Message 6 of 215 (650852)
02-03-2012 11:03 AM


The "stones will cry out".
There were witnesses and those witnesses left evidence behind for those with eyes to see and stories for those with ears to hear.

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Message 37 of 215 (651852)
02-10-2012 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by shadow71
02-10-2012 2:59 PM


no support for the Grand Poofer.
We do know that there is evidence of natural causes.
We also know that no one has ever presented any evidence of any non-natural or supernatural causes.

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jar
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Message 48 of 215 (651978)
02-11-2012 9:22 AM
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02-11-2012 9:13 AM


Re: no support for the Grand Poofer.
HUH?
Sorry but is there any meaning to that word salad?
Nature came into existence?
HUH?
Do you see the word nature anywhere in what I wrote?

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Message 133 of 215 (660359)
04-24-2012 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by angletracks
04-24-2012 9:07 PM


Re: What I See
There is a growing body experiments that show transitions from non-living to approaching life.
But the important point is that there is a virtually unending body of evidence of natural causes and zero evidence of non-natural or supernatural causes.

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jar
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Message 144 of 215 (660520)
04-26-2012 3:22 PM
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04-26-2012 2:53 PM


it really is simple
HUH?
Where does evolution enter the picture?
Evolution deals with what happened after life began.
Abiogenesis deals with how life may have begun, and there we have lots of experiments that show steps leading towards life.
There is tons of evidence of complex molecules forming naturally.
There is even evidence of complex self replicating molecules forming and even complex self replicating with errors molecules that evolve.
What IS missing is any evidence of any unnatural, nonnatural or supernatural causes, effects, existence as well as any model of how a nonnatural, unnatural or supernatural cause could do anything.

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jar
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Message 149 of 215 (660525)
04-26-2012 4:06 PM
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04-26-2012 3:55 PM


Re: it really is simple
As for evidence of supranatural causes and effects, it all depends on what you count as evidence, and how you define natural. If you construe evidence very narrowly along completely materialist lines, I'm not sure you would say there is evidence for anything like a mind - we are only brains with bodies. Is that your position?
I don't go down rabbit holes. Whether there is a "mind" or not is totally irrelevant and unimportant.
But there is still no evidence for anything other than natural processes.
It really is that simple.
Are these naturally occurring molecules generally understood to be alive? And could you be more specific about their identity?
If I had meant to say they were living I would have said they were living.
But I didn't, mainly because so far there is no good way to determine where the line between life and non-life is.
We can point to things that are clearly alive and things that are clearly not alive but when it gets to the actual line between the two, there is simply no answer.
But the literature is littered with examples of self-replicating, even evolving molecules.

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Message 155 of 215 (660543)
04-26-2012 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Chuck77
04-26-2012 7:35 PM


The witnesses
The witness would be ALL the biological scientists that exist, all of the fossils that exist, all of the genetic data that exists...
The problem is that there are NO witnesses to present evidence that there are any unnatural, supernatural or nonnatural models, explanations, theories ...

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