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Panda
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Message 19 of 215 (651687)
02-09-2012 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Pressie
02-09-2012 8:42 AM


This:
Pressie writes:
Hearsay is not accepted as evidence. Not in any court or anywhere else in civilised countries. It is only done in countries where they can kill you for not breathing in tone with the dictator or Mullah.
is not the same as:
Pressie writes:
According to what you say the out of court statements from the victims (or victims witnesses)are admissible, as long as the absence from court was caused by the defendant. Am I right? That's fair.
Then also, when arrested there's a speach about everything you say can be used as evidence? That's fair, too, because the defendant is supposed to have first-hand knowledge (but can *** about it, or not be guilty, etc. too).
It still does not consider hearsay from anyone who is not a witness as evidence.

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Message 21 of 215 (651706)
02-09-2012 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by NoNukes
02-09-2012 12:35 PM


NN writes:
I'm not completely clear on what you are saying.
What I was trying to show was that Pressie's 1st claim that "hearsay was never used" was contradicted by his 2nd claim that "hearsay was sometimes used".

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Message 101 of 215 (657274)
03-27-2012 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by crashfrog
03-27-2012 8:47 AM


Have you seen my neighbour?
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Message 156 of 215 (660544)
04-26-2012 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Chuck77
04-26-2012 7:35 PM


Chuckles writes:
...the land to water, water to land mammal transition I believe is all speculation...
Chuckles writes:
It's the odd ball out IMO as well as land to water and water to land mammals.
Well ... colour me unconvinced by your doubts.

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Message 169 of 215 (660688)
04-28-2012 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by Chuck77
04-28-2012 4:32 AM


Chuck77 writes:
Other than the genetics why do you think chimps/apes and humans should be classified together?
This makes as much sense to evolutionists as asking:
"Other than those 2 people having the same parents, why do you think that those 2 people are siblings?"
Certainly, there are other reasons to think that 2 people are brothers/sisters. e.g. They grew up together in the same house.
But to exclude that key piece of information (that they have the same parents) when trying to identify if they are siblings is completely nonsensical.
So, in regards to your question: "Other than the genetics why do you think chimps/apes and humans should be classified together?"
Certainly, there are other reasons to think that chimps and humans are closely related. e.g. physical similarities.
But to exclude that key piece of information (that chimps and humans are genetically related) when trying to identify if they should be classified together is completely nonsensical.
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Message 191 of 215 (660761)
04-29-2012 6:52 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by Chuck77
04-29-2012 6:07 AM


Chuckles writes:
So Scientists are using pictures to determine that they evolved from land dwelling creatures to become sea dwelling creatures? I thought there was more to it.
(Which seems to be a weird complaint considering your requests for eye-witness accounts.)
But your disbelief in the possibility of mammals evolving from land-based to water-based is completely undermined by the fact that there exists mammals in many different stages of adaptation.
Your claim that something like a seal couldn't evolve into something like a manatee has no foundation.
The physical differences between a seal and a manatee are similar in scope to the differences between a cat and a fox.
But a seal spends a lot of time on land and a manatee never goes on land.
What aspect of that change do you think is impossible?
Which physical change do you think couldn't happen?
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Message 198 of 215 (660819)
04-29-2012 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by foreveryoung
04-29-2012 12:20 PM


What is not possible?
FEY writes:
Are you saying that seals and walruses used to be otters and beavers?
What the photos show are 3 (of 100's) of mammals with either partial or complete adaptation to living in water. (FYI: they are an otter, a seal and a manatee.)
When someone claims that it is not possible for a land-based mammal to evolve into a water-based mammal, then the fact that there exists many mammals, all at different levels of adaptation to water, flies in the face of that negative claim.
They would at least need to explain what would prevent this evolution, as clearly there is no actual physical limitation to mammals having partial or complete adaptation to water.
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Message 200 of 215 (660853)
04-29-2012 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by NoNukes
04-29-2012 8:09 PM


Re: What is not possible?
NoNukes writes:
I think you've overlooked the real problem with FY's question.
I kinda skipped his question as he had not understood why I had posted the 3 photos.
NoNukes writes:
Evolution does not suggest that any animal such as a seal was ever ("used to be") an otter or beaver. The theory of evolution does not describe an animal turning into another animal, but instead explains why a population of animals has different characteristics than that of its ancestors.
I guess it all depends on what FY means by "used to be".
If he means that thousands of generations ago seals used to look more like otters, then that is fine. (I have used that turn of phrase myself when talking about evolved species.)
But if he means a seal was born looking like an otter and changed into a seal over several years, then that is not fine.

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