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foreveryoung
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Message 166 of 313 (660730)
04-28-2012 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Nuggin
04-28-2012 11:34 PM


Re: Book: Liberal Media Distorts News Bias
There is no "liberal bias".
Conservatives didn't like Wikipedia because of it's "liberal bias" so they started their own Conservative versions.
Wikipedia is created by and maintained by the PUBLIC.
That means that the PUBLIC has a "liberal bias"?!?
That's ridiculous.
The Conservatives think that the country adheres to their ridiculous views on everything. When they discover that they are wrong, they pout and say it's unfair.
Guess what, we aren't going to be living under Mosaic Law no matter how much you kick and whine.
I'm having a hard time trying to follow your logic; that's if you even tried to make an argument. It seems like a bunch of disconnected thoughts to me. So, if there is no liberal bias in the media , then I'm sure you would agree that there is no conservative bias in the media as well?

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Message 167 of 313 (660732)
04-29-2012 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by foreveryoung
04-28-2012 11:42 PM


Re: Book: Liberal Media Distorts News Bias
I'm having a hard time trying to follow your logic; that's if you even tried to make an argument. It seems like a bunch of disconnected thoughts to me. So, if there is no liberal bias in the media , then I'm sure you would agree that there is no conservative bias in the media as well?
You are the one that seems confused.
I'm going to use math for an example.
0 is neither a negative nor a positive number.
-1 is a negative number
+1 is a positive number
Imagine a scale from -10 to +10.
On this scale, a -10 represents the Conservative ideal world. A +10 represents the Liberal ideal world.
I pick negative for Conservatives because they consistently oppose forward movement in anything, desiring to revert America back to the imaginary world they think existed in the 1950s.
So, from the Conservative perspective, if the media scores a "0", they would be without any bias whatsoever.
The problem is that the PUBLIC and REALITY are at about a "3" on the scale.
In fact, news organizations would have to institute a Conservative bias just to get to "neutral" between what the Conservatives want and what the Liberals want.
This is because the Conservatives are OUT OF TOUCH.
So, from your perspective, there is a bias because news organizations report facts and facts are unfavorable to your positions.
The exception is Fox News, which doesn't report facts, it reports opinions which have been handed to them by Conservative political figures.
You can LITERALLY see them reading the Conservative Talking points as if it were news.
It's not "unfair" that the media doesn't lie in order to make things nicer for your opinion. Your opinion is wrong because it's based on a fantasy.
45% of Conservatives believe they are in the top 10% of earners in the country. Think about that.

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Message 168 of 313 (660768)
04-29-2012 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by foreveryoung
04-28-2012 11:42 PM


Re: Book: Liberal Media Distorts News Bias
Hi foreveryoung,
I'm having a hard time trying to follow your logic; that's if you even tried to make an argument. It seems like a bunch of disconnected thoughts to me. So, if there is no liberal bias in the media , then I'm sure you would agree that there is no conservative bias in the media as well?
If a politician gets involved in a scandal then it is covered by the news, regardless of the political stripe of the politician.
What I would agree is that there is no political bias, rather that the bias today in news is for sensationalism and "infotainment" rather than honest reporting on the facts.
Young people these days do not know what real news was like, when politicians made silly statements and were called out on them by the press.
The whole paradigm of Fox that a "fair and balanced" reporting is necessary is false: this assumes that people doing silly things happens in a fair and balanced manner, that there is a fair and balanced view to both sides of an issue rather than a valid and invalid one.
It's like saying a mass abuser on trial can only be confronted by one accuser so that the trial is fair and balanced.
The whole bias of Fox is to entertain gullible people and lull them into a world of false concepts portrayed as truths: this is evidenced by a poll that showed that Fox viewers knew LESS about world events than people that did not watch ANY news.
The idea that "fair and balanced" is necessary for reporting the news assumes that events occur in a fair and balanced manner, that there necessarily are as many democratic politicians as republican politicians involved in scandals, and that is just not logically valid.
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Message 169 of 313 (660783)
04-29-2012 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by foreveryoung
04-28-2012 11:18 PM


Re: Book: Liberal Media Distorts News Bias
What is that supposed to prove? That those news sources don't have a liberal bias?
You completely missed his point. He was talking about that "e-word" you despise so much: evidence.
IOW, if one wants to claim that ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, or NPR are "far left", then it is incumbent on one to provide examples to support that claim (AKA "evidence").
IOW, if you make a claim, you need to be able to back up that claim.
A simple concept, really, and one that you will encounter all the time in geology.

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Message 170 of 313 (660814)
04-29-2012 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by dwise1
04-29-2012 12:07 PM


Here's an example of media bias in coverage of the news ...
MEDIA FAIL: Why Is It OK For Ted Nugent To Say It, But Not The Dixie Chicks?!? - Upworthy
quote:
MEDIA FAIL: Why Is It OK For Ted Nugent To Say It, But Not The Dixie Chicks?!?
Whether you love or hate the Dixie Chicks, this is a pretty clear example of how unfair the media can be. Share this today.

So is this liberal bias? Is this "fair and balanced"?
Enjoy.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 171 of 313 (660820)
04-29-2012 6:53 PM
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04-28-2012 8:41 PM


Re: que sera sera
It's not just Fox that seems to be posting Faux News.
Faux news...lol...that is sssooo creative.
did you come up with that one by yourself?

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 172 of 313 (660822)
04-29-2012 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by RAZD
04-29-2012 4:49 PM


That is no example.
what happened to the Dixie chicks has nothing to do with fox news, nor does what didn't happen to sweaty teddy.
and what is with that comparison between country music and hard rock (oh yeah i forgot this is from some random blog you found).
you should compare the Dixie Chicks (country) and Hank Williams Jr (country). oh, wait Hank did get in trouble for saying bad things about the POTUS.

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jar
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Message 173 of 313 (660823)
04-29-2012 7:09 PM
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04-29-2012 6:53 PM


Re: que sera sera
In Message 161 you posted "If the thread is about Obama, or criticizing the left the thread is closed within the 1st 15-30 pages, they don't last that long."?
Fifteen pages at 10 messages a page equals ?
Fifteen pages at 20 messages a page is?
Fifteen pages at 30 messages a page is?
Thirty pages at 10 messages a page equals?
Thirty pages at 20 messages a page equals?
It's not just Fox that seems to be posting Faux News.
Edited by jar, : senior moment

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 174 of 313 (660831)
04-29-2012 8:11 PM
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04-29-2012 7:09 PM


Re: que sera sera
You don't mean to say that AE made a factual claim, then ran away from questions about it, unable to back up what he said, do you?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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RAZD
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Message 175 of 313 (660866)
04-30-2012 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 172 by Artemis Entreri
04-29-2012 6:59 PM


Re: That is no example. Unless you look at it with open eyes.
Hi Artemis Entreri
what happened to the Dixie chicks has nothing to do with fox news, nor does what didn't happen to sweaty teddy.
Correct, it has to do with the false claim of liberal bias in the media, which Fox\Faux (and Faux is old btw usage here) News(propaganda infomercials) uses to justify their bias and their pretense of fair and balanced (which is pure bull).
and what is with that comparison between country music and hard rock (oh yeah i forgot this is from some random blog you found).
you should compare the Dixie Chicks (country) and Hank Williams Jr (country). oh, wait Hank did get in trouble for saying bad things about the POTUS.
Apologetics in action, thanks for demonstrating that you personally give a pass to someone who threatens the POTUS versus someone who just comments about the war.
What is compared is (A) public people making a rather common liberal comment about war, to (B) public person making an extremist position targeting the life of the President, and what the reactions in the public and in the media that followed.
Do you really think they are not comparable? Or do you just not want to admit to yourself that there really is a difference in how these are reported on and covered.
Cognitive dissonance is like that.
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : clrrty

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Message 176 of 313 (660870)
04-30-2012 3:29 AM
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04-29-2012 4:49 PM


Re: Here's an example of media bias in coverage of the news ...
I am in no position to comment. I am not a country fan, but that they had expressed disapproval of an obvious Republican idiot should have had no effect on their career. Is there really such a right-wing, Republican-idiosy requirement in the country music scene?
However, I retired from about 34 years of military service in November 2011. A few months later, I visited my old unit as a retiree. The sentiment that I conveyed to my old CO, one which he obviously appreciated, was that I had received my retirement certificate and letter from President Barack Obama and not some fracking stupid Republican.

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Message 177 of 313 (660874)
04-30-2012 4:45 AM
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04-29-2012 6:53 PM


Re: que sera sera
Faux news...lol...that is sssooo creative.
did you come up with that one by yourself?
The phrase "Did you come up with that one by yourself?" gets 682,000 google hits.

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RAZD
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Message 178 of 313 (660876)
04-30-2012 7:06 AM
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04-30-2012 4:45 AM


Re: que sera sera
and the phrase "faux news" gets "About 53,200,000 results"
index
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LOL

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Message 179 of 313 (660877)
04-30-2012 7:20 AM
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04-30-2012 7:06 AM


Re: que sera sera
and the phrase "faux news" gets "About 53,200,000 results"
No it doesn't. The two words faux and news get that many results in conjunction. The phrase "faux news" only gets 1,060,000.

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RAZD
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Message 180 of 313 (660923)
04-30-2012 4:26 PM
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04-30-2012 7:20 AM


Re: que sera sera
and when I do → "fauxnews" ← - I get
About 76,300 results (0.17 seconds)
... which, as far as I am concerned are the same thing.
The phrase "faux news" only gets 1,060,00
Which I would have said was ""faux news"" ... on of the problems with quoting google inputs
Certainly way more hits that Aertemis's phrase, by orders of magnitude.
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : clrty

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